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    【ガンダム】ジオン=日本みたいに言われる事があるけどなんで?



    1: 2019/11/26 15:36:36 No.641758466 ▼このレスに返信

    ジオン=日本みたいに言われることがあるけどなんで?
    37: 2019/11/26 16:02:34 No.641762550 ▼このレスに返信
    >ジオン=日本みたいに言われることがあるけど
    初めて聞いた
    2: 2019/11/26 15:37:22 No.641758579 ▼このレスに返信
    敵わない大国に喧嘩売ったから
    6: 2019/11/26 15:47:46 No.641760307 ▼このレスに返信
    ザクが零戦と言われてもピンとこない
    7: 2019/11/26 15:49:33 No.641760579 ▼このレスに返信
    >ザクが零戦と言われてもピンとこない
    二一→三二→五二みたいに傑作機をひたすらマイナーチェンジしてたからじゃない?
    ザクもC→F→F2→FZとか
    144: 2019/11/26 16:44:57 No.641769915 ▼このレスに返信
    >>ザクが零戦と言われてもピンとこない
    >二一→三二→五二みたいに傑作機をひたすらマイナーチェンジしてたからじゃない?
    >ザクもC→F→F2→FZとか
    むしろF2型とか完全に4号戦車がモチーフでは
    8: 2019/11/26 15:50:57 No.641760793 ▼このレスに返信
    サイド3の立ち位置がまんま日本列島だから
    9: 2019/11/26 15:51:30 No.641760885 ▼このレスに返信
    ナチスドイツがモチーフじゃないの?
    10: 2019/11/26 15:52:31 No.641761040 ▼このレスに返信
    ジオン=ナチスドイツ→第二次大戦の枢軸国→日本もそっち側だったからって話じゃねーの
    15: 2019/11/26 15:54:07 No.641761275 ▼このレスに返信
    ドイツ+日本では
    25: 2019/11/26 15:56:41 No.641761645 ▼このレスに返信
    >ドイツ+日本では
    この報告はイタリアにとってショックだった
    13: 2019/11/26 15:53:15 No.641761154 ▼このレスに返信
    枢軸モチーフでしょ
    11: 2019/11/26 15:52:33 No.641761042 ▼このレスに返信
    モチーフはドイツかもしれんけどジオンのネーミングはイスラエルだよ
    12: 2019/11/26 15:52:50 No.641761085 ▼このレスに返信
    ドイツ軍モチーフのジオンMSは山程いるけど日本軍モチーフのMSは居ない印象
    14: 2019/11/26 15:53:53 No.641761248 ▼このレスに返信
    敗戦国って同じ轍踏むよねって感じか
    17: 2019/11/26 15:54:53 No.641761379 ▼このレスに返信
    一部の連中の騎士道精神やら玉砕前提の学徒動員やらは旧軍っぽさはあるような気もする
    21: 2019/11/26 15:55:54 No.641761526 ▼このレスに返信
    ドイツはわかるけど日本要素なくない?
    26: 2019/11/26 15:56:50 No.641761670 ▼このレスに返信
    >ドイツはわかるけど日本要素なくない?
    ルウムが真珠湾攻撃でザクが零戦みたいなもんだろう
    28: 2019/11/26 15:57:49 No.641761822 ▼このレスに返信
    >ルウムが真珠湾攻撃でザクが零戦みたいなもんだろう
    ドイツの戦車による電撃戦じゃねえかな…
    24: 2019/11/26 15:56:34 No.641761633 ▼このレスに返信
    ドイツモチーフは常識みたいなもんだけど日本モチーフは聞いたこと無いけどこどで聞いたんだ?
    32: 2019/11/26 16:00:12 No.641762191 ▼このレスに返信
    日本はジオンみたいに移民の国じゃないんだが…
    34: 2019/11/26 16:01:02 No.641762313 ▼このレスに返信
    >日本はジオンみたいに移民の国じゃないんだが…
    その言い方だとアメリカとかがモデルになっちまう
    41: 2019/11/26 16:05:02 No.641762952 ▼このレスに返信
    ジオン・ダイクン(天皇)を象徴として利用しつつ
    実質的な権力をザビ家(軍部)が掌握してるとこ?
    42: 2019/11/26 16:06:46 No.641763229 ▼このレスに返信
    >ジオン・ダイクン(天皇)を象徴として利用しつつ
    >実質的な権力をザビ家(軍部)が掌握してるとこ?
    殺してる…
    47: 2019/11/26 16:09:55 No.641763725 ▼このレスに返信
    ホワイトベースクルーに日本っぽい名前のがいるせいでジオンが日本と言われてもピンとこないな
    48: 2019/11/26 16:10:03 No.641763744 ▼このレスに返信
    こじつけようと思えばなんとでもなるってことだな
    51: 2019/11/26 16:15:33 No.641764710 ▼このレスに返信
    モチーフにした部分は多々あってもそのまんまって話じゃないだろう
    56: 2019/11/26 16:19:50 No.641765470 ▼このレスに返信
    連合軍モチーフのくせにボールやらパブリクみたいな人命軽視兵器をお出しする連邦…
    61: 2019/11/26 16:22:19 No.641765897 ▼このレスに返信
    >連合軍モチーフのくせにボールやらパブリクみたいな人命軽視兵器をお出しする連邦…
    機体が揃ってないから仕方ないね
    68: 2019/11/26 16:25:32 No.641766476 ▼このレスに返信
    カイシデンが紫電改のもじりだったり、ゲルググが紫電改のアメリカ側のニックネームのGeorgeから来てるらしいという話は聞いたことある
    けどザクのF型とかF2、C、Jはナチスドイツの4号戦車からだろう
    82: 2019/11/26 16:29:14 No.641767160 ▼このレスに返信
    日本みたいだって事にしてしまうと
    戦後は世界一の工業国で
    怖いお姉さんが一時的に世界支配して
    ロリのパイロットが何人もいて
    も全部日本みたいなのか
    93: 2019/11/26 16:32:01 No.641767633 ▼このレスに返信
    ジオンは日本よかドイツだろ
    終盤にジオングだのブラウブロだろエルメスだのビックリドッキリメカラッシュは完全にナチスドイツ
    94: 2019/11/26 16:32:35 No.641767724 ▼このレスに返信
    統合整備計画ももろにそれだしな
    95: 2019/11/26 16:32:44 No.641767743 ▼このレスに返信
    ジオンが日本モデルだったア・バオア・クーにはドロスもジオングもなく惨めな負け方だったろうな…
    98: 2019/11/26 16:33:26 No.641767868 ▼このレスに返信
    国力差二十倍うんぬんが太平洋戦争時の日本とアメリカの差モチーフみたいな話を聞いたことがあるような
    108: 2019/11/26 16:34:43 No.641768081 ▼このレスに返信
    普通に枢軸国vs連合国がモデルじゃないの…?なんで一国限定?
    109: 2019/11/26 16:34:46 No.641768091 ▼このレスに返信
    戦局が悪化して学徒兵が増えても特攻には手を出さない辺りはドイツっぽい
    というか連邦のほうがパブリクで特攻してくる!

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 10:03:52 ID:12439e941            ★コメ返信★

        個人的にはドイツよりも日本ぽいな、とは思う。
        作り手が日本人だからどうしても日本寄りになってしまうからかな。

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 10:40:03 ID:b57ec8086            ★コメ返信★

        制服がドイツ軍っぽいだけで中身は日本軍リスペクトやし。
        一年戦争はまんま太平洋戦争だしな。
        航空機戦術駆使して奇襲してハワイで戦果あげたはいいけど、アメリカが航空機戦術の有用性に気づいて週間空母で大反撃とかまんまですやん。
        大東亜会議出席したアジア指導者に喧嘩売りまくって、アジアにすら味方いなくなって世界中から戦線布告されて本土まで押しこまれる日本をまんまやって、味方にするべき他コロニーで暴れまわって敵に回したのがジオン。

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 11:21:55 ID:9a575a2c7            ★コメ返信★

        ORIGIN読んでると、まあ誰が悪いとかじゃなくて、誰にもどうしようもない時代の流れの中で戦争に突き進んで行ったんだな、という点では日本と重なるものを感じたな
        日本にはザビ家みたいな独裁者は居なかったわけだが

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 11:28:08 ID:a3b0cf32a            ★コメ返信★

        誰か日本刀持ってるシーン無かったっけか

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 12:13:38 ID:43cac1eb4            ★コメ返信★

        本編では別にドイツ意識してないのに
        一年戦争の外伝ではホルバインやらヘルムートやらドイツっぽいネームばかりになってやがるぜ!

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 12:52:44 ID:117b6d887            ★コメ返信★

        大二次大戦がモデルなのに似てないも似てるも無いだろ

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 13:18:48 ID:72566e4bb            ★コメ返信★

        放映当時の設定からして、ジオン(サイド3)への移民には日本人及び日系人
        が多めに参加してたそうだしなぁ

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 13:29:20 ID:e5acb2b9d            ★コメ返信★

        ゾルタン様「どこかで聞いたような話だろ?コレ」

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 14:13:21 ID:023b5382f            ★コメ返信★

        スターウォーズと宇宙戦艦ヤマトが先行してて
        両方ミックスして太平洋戦争要素を多めに加えたらクソ当たりしてしまったのかね

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 14:23:30 ID:33455f265            ★コメ返信★

        イグルーを見てたら、
        WW2末期に手当たりしだいに珍兵器や場当たり的な改修改造兵器を連発してた
        日本軍やドイツ軍と被ってる気がした

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 15:12:30 ID:26a834b58            ★コメ返信★

        ドイツと日本の悪いとこ取りってイメージ

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 17:27:25 ID:4a30a38e4            ★コメ返信★

        開戦当初は零戦(ザク)の活躍で優位だけど国力の差で劣勢に。パイロットが足りなくなり学徒動員に頼る。
        このへんが似てる。

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 18:32:48 ID:9a43d26b5            ★コメ返信★

        ゲルググに乗りたがらない歴戦兵のエピソードはフォッケウルフの話
        でも歴戦ていったって1年も乗ってないんだよな、ザク

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 18:33:51 ID:3e66ad33c            ★コメ返信★

        日本にあんな技術力ないしw
        ピカドンバズーカ量産する度胸もないしw
        ソーラ・レィ動かしたくたって、「住民投票」で給電拒否されるしw
        どっちかといえば、イタリアかフランスって感じじゃね?

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 20:55:53 ID:bca5b84c8            ★コメ返信★

        聞いたことねえわ

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 21:20:36 ID:b57ec8086            ★コメ返信★

        ※3
        公王(天皇・政府)をないがしろにして独自統帥権を主張して
        勝手に軍を動かしてた海軍と陸軍のナワバリ争いと足の引っ張り合いは
        ザビ家の兄弟そのものやで。

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 22:52:31 ID:e723afb8e            ★コメ返信★

        ジオンの制服はプロイセンが元ネタじゃないっけか

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/27(Wed) 23:21:35 ID:9c3f0e76d            ★コメ返信★

        ビームナギナタは間違いなく日本要素

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 13:03:52 ID:31c8a826e            ★コメ返信★

        連邦=日本 ジオン=ドイツ
        じゃなかったけ・・・

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 18:32:42 ID:43b183664            ★コメ返信★

        物語の基本構造が第2次大戦がモデルなんだから
        あとは自分で考えろ

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 19:20:16 ID:94633ef1e            ★コメ返信★

        ドムは忍者モチーフだったな実際アニメに出たらデブになったけど

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 19:59:26 ID:22f73dc86            ★コメ返信★

        現実のどこそこはモデルというよりせいぜい部分的なモチーフって感じ
        英語仏語でなく日本語のカタカナ語的な意味でな

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/29(Fri) 14:38:28 ID:7e6cc5592            ★コメ返信★

        理性的に理想を掲げた偉大なるダイクン(天皇)が暗殺(ハブに)されて、戦争で良い様に利用されたとことかだろうな

        昭和天皇がまるで普通の王様みたいに指示してたと勘違いしてるの多いけど、戦争における決定権は多くなく、官僚とかだけで判断してた部分が大半で、細部に至っては報告すら…

      24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/12/15(Sun) 19:33:22 ID:3013761cc            ★コメ返信★

        >>連合軍モチーフのくせにボールやらパブリクみたいな人命軽視兵器をお出しする連邦…
        ドイツがティーガー1両作る間にアメリカはシャーマン11両作れるからキルレート1:10でも問題ない、ってやってたよ

        ※9
        連邦は連合軍だろ
        まぁ戦後は日本のアメポチを反映して連合軍モチーフ側に居るのは日本漫画じゃよくある話だが
        太平洋戦争を日米同盟vs中韓同盟だと勘違いしているの奴も居るぐらいだし

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