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【ガンダム】ジオン敗北の原因ってやっぱこいつらに予算と資材つぎ込んだからじゃ…

1: 名無し 2020/12/22 18:57:28▼このレスに返信

ジオン敗北の原因ってやっぱこいつらに予算と資材つぎ込んだからじゃ

3: 名無し 2020/12/22 18:58:59▼このレスに返信

ジオニックの卑劣なデマゴーグでザクが採用された時点で敗北してたようなもんだぞ

4: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:00:11▼このレスに返信

>3
その妄言聞き飽きたわ

6: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:05:00▼このレスに返信

ゼーズールはそこにいていいのか？

7: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:06:18▼このレスに返信

あらためて並べられるとこんなに沢山種類が必要だったかなとは感じる

13: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:09:46▼このレスに返信

>7
ジャブロー攻略が目的だったからな、海のないジオンだと試行錯誤は仕方ない
海から侵攻する必要性や湿地帯で戦闘する必要があったからな

8: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:07:49▼このレスに返信

水泳部か
カプルはカプールじゃないから当然いないと

9: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:08:18▼このレスに返信

アッグとアッグガイは除外なのか

12: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:09:45▼このレスに返信

平然と陸でも戦える辺りかなりの完成度だと思うんだけどな…まあMSが優れてる程度じゃ敗北して当たり前だと思うが

14: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:10:17▼このレスに返信

せめて機種絞るべきだったんでは
プラモ的にその選択肢は無いにしても

18: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:12:15▼このレスに返信

>14
量産では絞ってるよ、ジオンは試作機も戦闘に投入してるだけで

22: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:13:04▼このレスに返信

>18
ジオンの整備士めっちゃ優秀だったんだろうなそれ

16: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:11:08▼このレスに返信

実際問題侵入経路も見つけてないのにこんなに作っても意味あったか怪しいよなあ

21: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:13:02▼このレスに返信

>16
逆に侵入経路を探す為に必要だろうに

25: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:15:20▼このレスに返信

>21
アッガイ一機種でいいのでは？

28: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:16:54▼このレスに返信

>25
見つけたら攻略のための攻撃機が必要じゃないか

19: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:12:21▼このレスに返信

もっともっと進行できてたら出番あったかも

20: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:12:22▼このレスに返信

TVに出た奴らでも多いぐらいなのに増やしすぎ

23: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:13:23▼このレスに返信

アッグとか確かジャブローまでの穴掘り用だっけ
さすがにそれは必要なのかとは思う

29: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:17:08▼このレスに返信

>23
場所さえわかればごり押しで侵入してやろう作戦で
まず場所が分からなかったんじゃないっけ

31: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:19:02▼このレスに返信

>29
大方の場所はわかってるんだが侵入経路が不明なだけだろ
そうでないとブリティシュ作戦とかやらない

24: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:14:16▼このレスに返信

ところで水中のミノフスキー粒子の設定ってどうなってんの？
ソナーで索敵されて魚雷でボコられたりしないの？

30: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:17:42▼このレスに返信

>24
そういう場合もあります

65: 名無し 2020/12/22 20:25:29▼このレスに返信

>24
アッガイだったかはステルス性能持ってなかったかな？記憶違いかもしれないけど
ＭＳの機動性なら魚雷くらいなら避けられるんじゃないかな
ゴックはガンダムとアムロって相手が悪かっただけでそれ以外のパイロットならそうそう勝てないんじゃないかな

27: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:15:37▼このレスに返信

ジャブローがどこまでの規模か全く見えないんだからこれで充分というのは攻める側には分からないだろ

32: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:20:11▼このレスに返信

>27
そのへんまるで見えてない状況で機種だけ充実させるって正気じゃないわな
正気じゃないから開戦するし結局負けたと言われればその通りなんだろうが

37: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:21:31▼このレスに返信

>32
なんかもう全部うまく行く前提でやってる感と言いたいけど
まあ敵キャラいっぱい出さないとプラモが途切れるからでしょう

40: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:24:28▼このレスに返信

>32
普通に攻略準備中に状況が早く動いただけだろ
大体ガンダムの情報でジオンはMS開発を急ピッチに進めた背景もあるし

44: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:29:39▼このレスに返信

>40
何も分かってない段階で前のめりで張り切って多種多様な機体を用意しちゃってたことは関係なくない？

45: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:33:46▼このレスに返信

>44
ジオンには海がないから必要性を感じて開発したんだろ
だいたい開発した機体が成功するか手探りの状態だったんだから
失敗した時のことを考えて複数のプランで各社に作らせたと考えられるし

52: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:51:59▼このレスに返信

>44
侵攻するなら種類と数が必要になるから前もって準備するのは当たり前の話だが
侵入経路がわかればすぐにでも生産拠点に侵攻攻撃する必要があるのに
わかってから準備したんではあまりに遅すぎる

33: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:20:14▼このレスに返信

やはりビグザムかアプサラスであの辺り一体焼け野原にすべきだった

34: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:20:50▼このレスに返信

>33
アプサラスなんて無かった
いいね

38: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:23:45▼このレスに返信

持久戦なんて出来ないんだから完膚なきまでに勝つしかないからね、そりゃまともに戦う機体じゃ勝てん

47: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:35:53▼このレスに返信

機体よりパイロット不足だよ
末期にはゲルググに学徒兵乗せるぐらい困窮してたし

63: 名無し 2020/12/22 20:21:30▼このレスに返信

>47
その割にベテランがザクに乗ってたりよくわからん

61: 名無し 2020/12/22 20:06:37▼このレスに返信

海の重要性を見誤ってた説はかなり好き

62: 名無し 2020/12/22 20:19:48▼このレスに返信

海なんて割とどうでも良かったというのとんだ皮肉だよな

10: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:09:23▼このレスに返信

地球の7割を制して何が悪いというのだ

11: 名無し 2020/12/22 19:09:33▼このレスに返信

数少ないキシリアの功績やで

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 08:38:44 ID：59771c912 ★コメ返信★

いや、戦争は継続するのにコロニーは落とさないっていう
「南極条約」を結ぶから…
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 09:54:32 ID：e474a70b8 ★コメ返信★

試験機まで投入したから数多く作られたようにみえるけど、生産数も種類もザクやドムに比べたら微々たるものだからな
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 10:43:05 ID：9e36977bc ★コメ返信★

てかスレ画のMS全部試作機じゃないんですけど
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 10:47:59 ID：2ca5141ab ★コメ返信★

どっちもジリ貧の１ｓｔだけなら試作機とはいえ同時に開発並行させる無駄っぷりは敗北原因のひとつではあるだろう。
外伝含めたら連邦が余裕すぎてまったく関係ない。

反応:※8
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 12:35:15 ID：3b7f1d0d9 ★コメ返信★

ジャブロー落とせれば勝ちだったと言うなら資金と資材の注ぎ込みは問題じゃない。問題は規模も施設の位置も分からない割に潜入部隊が少数すぎた事だ
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 12:58:44 ID：93b406237 ★コメ返信★

青く眠る水の星には水中戦に対応するMSは必須だろ？
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 13:53:39 ID：abc0ac960 ★コメ返信★

駆逐艦1隻で人員が100人単位で必要な事考えたら、人的資源の少ないジオンからしたら
1人乗りで艦船と戦える水中用MS、MAは超有能だろう。

ルウムでのザク+ミノ粉の運用で上げた戦果再びって事なんだろうけど、水中で
ミノ粉が使えなかったのなら、あんま意味なかったかな。
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 15:24:32 ID：9e36977bc ★コメ返信★

※4
具体的にどれが試作機なのよ？
ゴッグもハイゴッグもズゴッグもズゴッグEもジュアッグもアッガイもザクマリナーもゾゴッグもゾックも試作機じゃないぞ
プロトタイプゴッグは実戦投入されてない
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 17:04:53 ID：e474a70b8 ★コメ返信★

試作機じゃなくて実戦テスト機だろ
ガンダムと同じで量産される前に現場でデータ収集のために投入されるやつ

反応:※11
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 17:06:12 ID：c0e777c6c ★コメ返信★

ジャブローへの補給線を断てなかったから
推進剤原料や
宇宙艦艇やモビルスーツを造るのに必要な鉱物を
南米でいくら掘っても出てこないだろ
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/23(Wed) 21:39:49 ID：041993530 ★コメ返信★

※9
そんな設定影も形もないがな
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