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    1: 2019/11/28 15:57:46 No.642262994 ▼このレスに返信

    ボールの軍事的意味ってなに?
    2: 2019/11/28 15:58:53 No.642263157 ▼このレスに返信
    棺桶
    5: 2019/11/28 16:04:12 No.642263941 ▼このレスに返信
    ギレンの野望だと頼れるのに…
    7: 2019/11/28 16:06:07 No.642264205 ▼このレスに返信
    弱い扱いされるけどアウトレンジからの砲撃の時点で強いと思う
    12: 2019/11/28 16:10:44 No.642264900 ▼このレスに返信
    >弱い扱いされるけどアウトレンジからの砲撃の時点で強いと思う
    だからそれを機動力であっさりと掻い潜られて当たらないんだよ…奇襲による不意打ちでも逆襲されるだろうしねぇ
    護衛にジムでも居ればまだマシだろうけどそれだと本末転倒になるから配備できない
    9: 2019/11/28 16:07:08 No.642264357 ▼このレスに返信
    重力圏内のガンタンクでさえ対MS戦は不利なのに近接戦闘出来ない砲があるだけのポッドで何が出来るのか…
    まして艦隊護衛とかどうやって護衛出来るというのか
    10: 2019/11/28 16:08:07 No.642264498 ▼このレスに返信
    冷静に考えたら3次元戦闘の宇宙空間で制圧射撃ってどうすんの…ってなるからな
    22: 2019/11/28 16:16:08 No.642265728 ▼このレスに返信
    >冷静に考えたら3次元戦闘の宇宙空間で制圧射撃ってどうすんの…ってなるからな
    時限信管なりで弾幕をはるような形になるんじゃない?
    3次元だけど面狙ってる一昔前の対空戦闘みたいに
    35: 2019/11/28 16:19:23 No.642266247 ▼このレスに返信
    >時限信管なりで弾幕をはるような形になるんじゃない?
    >3次元だけど面狙ってる一昔前の対空戦闘みたいに
    テクノロジーが大分発達してるであろうこと差っ引いても重力圏下の制約のある環境ですら
    威嚇程度にしか効果なかったことを考えるとまあうn
    42: 2019/11/28 16:21:08 No.642266560 ▼このレスに返信
    >テクノロジーが大分発達してるであろうこと差っ引いても重力圏下の制約のある環境ですら
    >威嚇程度にしか効果なかったことを考えるとまあうn
    むしろ破片は空気で減速して重力で落ちてくお空と違って
    宇宙でドカンドカンやられる方がよっぽど危なそうな気もする
    63: 2019/11/28 16:27:46 No.642267670 ▼このレスに返信
    >冷静に考えたら3次元戦闘の宇宙空間で制圧射撃ってどうすんの…ってなるからな
    宇宙空間で制圧射撃するのなら多連装ロケットの方がよくね?ってずっと思ってる
    11: 2019/11/28 16:09:00 No.642264637 ▼このレスに返信
    いっそ爆薬でも詰めて並べとけばザクが勝手に自爆してくれるんじゃないか?
    15: 2019/11/28 16:11:51 No.642265071 ▼このレスに返信
    >いっそ爆薬でも詰めて並べとけばザクが勝手に自爆してくれるんじゃないか?
    そうだねパブリクだね
    13: 2019/11/28 16:10:56 No.642264930 ▼このレスに返信
    ソロモン以降の宙域戦での連邦は基本攻め側だったから防衛側のジオン相手に砲弾撃ちまくるのはしやすいんじゃないかな
    17: 2019/11/28 16:13:53 No.642265387 ▼このレスに返信
    撃ったら帰っていいはずのパブリクでなんであんなに生還率低いんだろう?
    19: 2019/11/28 16:15:14 No.642265581 ▼このレスに返信
    >撃ったら帰っていいはずのパブリクでなんであんなに生還率低いんだろう?
    最前線で撹乱膜ばらまかないと意味ないからかな…
    23: 2019/11/28 16:16:09 No.642265731 ▼このレスに返信
    パブリクでかいからじゃね?
    25: 2019/11/28 16:17:57 No.642266031 ▼このレスに返信
    富野ワールドって意外とAI発達してないよね
    こんなの人乗せるまでもないだろうに
    34: 2019/11/28 16:19:07 No.642266215 ▼このレスに返信
    >富野ワールドって意外とAI発達してないよね
    >こんなの人乗せるまでもないだろうに
    自動操縦はちょくちょく出てるが
    44: 2019/11/28 16:21:23 No.642266595 ▼このレスに返信
    >富野ワールドって意外とAI発達してないよね
    >こんなの人乗せるまでもないだろうに
    ミノ粉はCPUに悪いからな…
    47: 2019/11/28 16:21:41 No.642266637 ▼このレスに返信
    >富野ワールドって意外とAI発達してないよね
    ミノフスキー粒子のせいで集積回路の密度上げられないからな
    だからNTでもないと射撃なかなか当てられない
    26: 2019/11/28 16:18:01 No.642266042 ▼このレスに返信
    ボールの本格配備はソロモン戦だから問題なかったんだな
    ただ先行量産型の例を見るに結構初期からいたのか…
    38: 2019/11/28 16:20:18 No.642266403 ▼このレスに返信
    >ボールの本格配備はソロモン戦だから問題なかったんだな
    >ただ先行量産型の例を見るに結構初期からいたのか…
    元々作業用ポッドの改修機だから
    現地改修とかである程度戦果見込めると判断したんじゃないかな?
    31: 2019/11/28 16:18:48 No.642266163 ▼このレスに返信
    大砲は近づいて殴れば弱いみたいなもんで
    それをさせないために三兵戦術が編み出されたんだからジムもっと頑張れ
    36: 2019/11/28 16:19:29 No.642266265 ▼このレスに返信
    >大砲は近づいて殴れば弱いみたいなもんで
    >それをさせないために三兵戦術が編み出されたんだからジムもっと頑張れ
    ちょっと生産と配備が遅れてて…
    51: 2019/11/28 16:23:50 No.642266983 ▼このレスに返信
    >大砲は近づいて殴れば弱いみたいなもんで
    >それをさせないために三兵戦術が編み出されたんだからジムもっと頑張れ
    火力も装甲も射程も機動力もジムの方が上なんですよ…
    33: 2019/11/28 16:19:03 No.642266202 ▼このレスに返信
    ボールって実際弱いわけないんだけど弱くしないと作品の根底にかかわるからこうなるとしか言えない
    43: 2019/11/28 16:21:16 No.642266580 ▼このレスに返信
    >ボールって実際弱いわけないんだけど弱くしないと作品の根底にかかわるからこうなるとしか言えない
    当てればMS破壊できる火力があって射程が長くてMS作れるだけの技術力があるなら一定の命中率はありそうだし現代準拠ならコスパ含めて滅茶苦茶強いとは思う
    でもミノ粉その他がアレだからね…
    45: 2019/11/28 16:21:29 No.642266609 ▼このレスに返信
    >ボールって実際弱いわけないんだけど弱くしないと作品の根底にかかわるからこうなるとしか言えない
    本格的に球体型の兵器として作ったのなら弱いはずがないと言えるけどボールはしょせん作業用ポッドの改修機だからなあ…
    弱い方が自然だと思う
    54: 2019/11/28 16:24:42 No.642267146 ▼このレスに返信
    ボールに金かけてすごい兵器にするのそれはそれで本末転倒だし
    59: 2019/11/28 16:26:00 No.642267396 ▼このレスに返信
    >ボールに金かけてすごい兵器にするのそれはそれで本末転倒だし
    機動性上げるために手と砲台を取っ払って百式と同じビームコーティングをして防御力を上げたボール…
    62: 2019/11/28 16:27:32 No.642267636 ▼このレスに返信
    ボールみたいなのが強くなってしまうと必然的に「MS要らなくない?」ってなるしそれを否定するために設定色々作られてるんだから世界から否定されてる悲しい兵器
    67: 2019/11/28 16:29:12 No.642267895 ▼このレスに返信
    >ボールみたいなのが強くなってしまうと必然的に「MS要らなくない?」ってなるしそれを否定するために設定色々作られてるんだから世界から否定されてる悲しい兵器
    というわけでもないだろう
    そこそこ活躍はしているし
    75: 2019/11/28 16:34:09 No.642268672 ▼このレスに返信
    ジオンも同じ戦法とれたはずなのにボール出してこなかった方が謎
    78: 2019/11/28 16:34:41 No.642268760 ▼このレスに返信
    >ジオンも同じ戦法とれたはずなのにボール出してこなかった方が謎
    オッゴ!!
    81: 2019/11/28 16:35:39 No.642268925 ▼このレスに返信
    後付のオッゴだけどコンセプトはボールよりひでえと思う
    ボールみたいに遠くから撃とうじゃなくて完全にMSの代わりの間に合わせ
    88: 2019/11/28 16:39:30 No.642269594 ▼このレスに返信
    むしろ突然イグルーがオッゴとかお出ししてきてビックリした
    93: 2019/11/28 16:42:51 No.642270157 ▼このレスに返信
    >むしろ突然イグルーがオッゴとかお出ししてきてビックリした
    一応歴史の闇に消えた試作兵器群という設定ではあるが…
    学徒兵がゲルググに乗ってたのは何だったんだよって気持ちはわかる
    97: 2019/11/28 16:43:43 No.642270313 ▼このレスに返信
    >学徒兵がゲルググに乗ってたのは何だったんだよって気持ちはわかる
    派閥じゃないかな…
    83: 2019/11/28 16:36:18 No.642269028 ▼このレスに返信
    リアルにするとボールが強すぎるから
    なんだよあの砲のサイズ
    92: 2019/11/28 16:42:32 No.642270092 ▼このレスに返信
    言われてみればボールの砲でかいな
    リアルで言うと砲のせた戦車みたいなものじゃろか
    96: 2019/11/28 16:43:13 No.642270220 ▼このレスに返信
    >言われてみればボールの砲でかいな
    ボール自体が想像の3倍でかいからな

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 18:11:38 ID:47b4a8f41            ★コメ返信★

        Mk2みたいな散弾を連続で、それも面に展開したボールから
        撃てば普通に制圧射撃になるでしょ。
        宇宙なら減速しないから「散弾ではなあ!」にはならない。
        戦後は山ほど作ったジム2にバズーカ持たせてやらせりゃいいんだけど。

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 18:41:06 ID:2133dee2d            ★コメ返信★

        「戦争は数だよ、兄貴!」
        まさしく其のとおりでしたw

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 18:48:03 ID:3f76c70a4            ★コメ返信★

        ザクに蹴られてジムに当たり一緒に爆散するシーンが哀愁をさそう

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 18:52:48 ID:34db07ced            ★コメ返信★

        ジムの生還率を上げるための囮。

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 18:59:31 ID:94633ef1e            ★コメ返信★

        ミノがAIとかCPU狂わせるみたいな話しだしたら
        そもそも精密機械と電子機器の塊だろうMSが動く分けねえだろって話になるから止めよう
        遮蔽物のない宇宙で物量に勝る相手から榴弾や散弾で制圧射撃されたら死ぬしかないから合理的だろう
        でもそれ言い出したら無駄に図体デカいMS要らんやろってなるから止めよう

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 19:25:05 ID:d717a492d            ★コメ返信★

        「艦隊ごと虐殺された」は酷いわw

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 20:15:32 ID:926322f6e            ★コメ返信★

        ガザC数十機程度の弾幕でも
        アーガマ隊とドゴスギア両方を黙らせる事はできるんだから
        数を揃えて撃ちまくるのは有効なはず

        なんだけど1年戦争は戦闘の規模が大きいから駄目なのかな
        制圧するほどは撃てないのかも

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 20:30:27 ID:a225da692            ★コメ返信★

        無理やり砲ポン付けしたもんで連射性能低いんすよ…本体作業用ポッドなんで機動性もダメなんすよ…
        おまけに艦隊の方にボールを数運用できる設備がないんすよ…

        ぶっちゃけセイバーフィッシュの方がマシだと思うけどパイロットがしんじゃって
        簡単に作れて扱えるボールでやるしかなかったんすよ

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 20:40:21 ID:7a62fe8e4            ★コメ返信★

        対戦車砲より戦車の方が強いよね、みたいな議論しても仕方がないのでは。安価で大量配備できるならジム数機と小隊組んで支援火力にすればそこそこ活躍できるはず。

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/28(Thu) 20:53:23 ID:123fb641f            ★コメ返信★

        作品としての見栄えの都合だよ
        ギレンとかGジェネで数が揃うとばかにできない
        プレイヤーが一機しか操作できないアクションとかだとお察し

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/29(Fri) 00:42:30 ID:bee1b780c            ★コメ返信★

        5発しか撃てないけど3発当てたら1ゲージ持っていけるキャノンを如何に確実に当てるかだぞ
        あと小パン刻みと地味に高い機動性で相手に反撃の隙を与えないこと
        切り返す手段が小パン暴れしか無いから相手にペース握られると終わる

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/11/29(Fri) 16:54:01 ID:7aedb9728            ★コメ返信★

        1年戦争末期のジオンがオッゴなんぞ作る意味がわからん。
        兵はともかく、物はあるのに。
        だから学徒兵がゲルググに乗るほうが、物はあるけど人がいない感じが出てると思うのだが。

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        マゼランとかの移動する砲台というのはどうだろうか

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/12/10(Tue) 21:08:29 ID:d5ec2fe16            ★コメ返信★

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        本当の目的は連邦内の軍閥での相手派閥の間引きだったのかもしれん

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        話的には装備替えてボールは頑張ってましたって話

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