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    【ガンダム】富野作品のライバルキャラ、主人公より弱すぎ問題



    1: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:10:57▼このレスに返信

    冨野の作るライバルキャラって基本的に主人公に比べるとだいぶ弱い印象がある
    2: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:11:45▼このレスに返信
    どっちかというと主人公が強すぎるんじゃないかな？
    3: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:12:39▼このレスに返信
    シャアはわりと食らい付いた方だろう
    他はまぁうん…
    8: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:14:31▼このレスに返信
    この四人もかなり強いんだけど主人公がね…
    7: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:14:19▼このレスに返信
    主人公に邪魔だってあしらわれてるイメージ
    4: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:13:07▼このレスに返信
    口喧嘩なら左上強いし……
    5: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:13:17▼このレスに返信
    ジャナサンは口喧嘩なら圧勝してるぞ
    16: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:17:13▼このレスに返信
    >5
    情熱を秘めた肉体以外の回ではそーでもねーぞ！
    というかその回でも口だけで勝ってるわけじゃないよねこれ
    9: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:14:43▼このレスに返信
    ジョナサンは元は仲のいい兄貴分で敵味方に分かれた頃には主人公の姉と母に手出してるとか
    ぶっち切りで濃いキャラ
    19: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:18:06▼このレスに返信
    ジェリドは周りも強くなっていって仲間はボコボコと殺されていって可哀想となる
    24: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:19:02▼このレスに返信
    ジェリドは普通にカミーユ追い詰めたりネームド落としたりやれてる方だと思う
    Zの戦闘自体がまああれだからなんとも言えないけど
    33: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:21:39▼このレスに返信
    ジェリドはカミーユが強くないというか殺意薄いのもあってそんなに格落ち感はない
    あえていうならラストというかバウンド・ドック以降の印象が悪い
    20: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:18:07▼このレスに返信
    クンタラ仮面はどうだったかな…
    独裁者以外には大体優勢だったかな？
    21: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:18:30▼このレスに返信
    マスクはラストかなり頑張ったけど実際は独裁者に手加減されてたんだよなあれ…
    26: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:19:32▼このレスに返信
    クンタラ仮面はデレンセン教官より弱いイメージある
    30: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:20:42▼このレスに返信
    >26
    トップと比べるんじゃないよ！
    50: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:27:07▼このレスに返信
    >26
    劇中最強枠と比べちゃあかんと思うの…
    13: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:15:58▼このレスに返信
    vガンに至ってはヒロインにポジションを奪われる始末
    25: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:19:11▼このレスに返信
    >13
    カテ公もその前に暴れていたファラにインパクト奪われてる気が…
    23: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:18:53▼このレスに返信
    ウッソのライバルはクロノクル？
    27: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:19:41▼このレスに返信
    >23
    カテジナじゃないかな…
    31: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:20:49▼このレスに返信
    >27
    ライバルはクロノクルでカテジナはラスボスじゃない？
    お禿作品はライバルとラスボスは大体別になる感じ
    28: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:20:34▼このレスに返信
    敵軍のライバルキャラって主人公とばかり戦う宿命にあるから常に負けてるイメージ着いちゃうよね
    72: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:32:43▼このレスに返信
    よく考えるとお禿作品の弱い主人公ってあんまり思いつかないな…
    86: 名無し 2020/05/17 15:36:48▼このレスに返信
    >72
    主人公であるからにはきちんと活躍しないといけないって考えがこの世代の監督にはあるね

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 08:11:26 ID：012c7b922            ★コメ返信★

        ジェリド（笑）
        シロッコとかヤザンじゃねーの？

        反応:※4 ※12
      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 08:30:17 ID：5f3ab6f3b            ★コメ返信★

        >記事20
        ちょっと話が長引いたら天才に伸び代の差で負ける気がする

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 08:38:17 ID：0baab9271            ★コメ返信★

        マスクはまだ劇場版が残ってるから・・

        反応:※6
      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 08:52:25 ID：5f3ab6f3b            ★コメ返信★

        ※1
        ヤザンやシロッコってカミーユと面識というほど会ってないというか

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 08:53:11 ID：15b46f815            ★コメ返信★

        主人公が弱い、逃げるの元祖は、碇シンジになるのカナ？

        日本刀とのコラボの展示会のポスターでは、主人公なのにハブられ、緒方恵美さん自ら抗議したくらいだし(笑)。

        てか、ロボットモノで主人公が弱いと初陣で死亡フラグが(笑)。
        まさか、死んで異世界転生は勘弁を！

        反応:※7
      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 08:53:49 ID：5f3ab6f3b            ★コメ返信★

        ※3
        改変があるとして、クリムとラライヤも強くなってたらどうしようという気もする

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 08:57:15 ID：cd5611f7f            ★コメ返信★

        ※5
        初期に逃げるのだけならアムロの方が先だけど
        ずっと弱いままのシンジ君タイプはあんまり見かけないな…

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 09:50:15 ID：e834ba13b            ★コメ返信★

        小説版の話したいのか？主人公死ぬし
        ベルチルではシャアに殺されかけるし罵倒もされたが、スポンサーと視聴者の意向だろ

        反応:※10 ※19
      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 10:03:49 ID：e834ba13b            ★コメ返信★

        まぁ強い所と弱い所があるから人気のあるキャラクターばっかなんだけどね
        なろう系の敵ってはっきり言って強い弱いの次元じゃなく文字通り名前がついてるだけのモブと大差ない奴らばっかだからペテルギウスロマネコンティみたいな個性的で割と強い奴がほとんどいないだからつまらないしすぐに忘れられる

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 10:09:25 ID：4a6aee7ca            ★コメ返信★

        ※8
        いやほんとにそれ
        アムロ最強！！で気持ちよくなりたいお前らのためだよと

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 10:10:47 ID：d62605c33            ★コメ返信★

        タイマンは富野監督が大好きな戦闘形態だけど主人公補正かけないと死ぬからね
        現実的な戦術なら3人がかりでフルボッコが正解だけどアニメじゃ盛り上がらない

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 10:59:13 ID：d68231778            ★コメ返信★

        ※1
        シロッコやヤザンは別枠　ライバル枠はジェリドニキ

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 12:09:05 ID：b17d0d517            ★コメ返信★

        ライバルより強い敵キャラがいるから、際立っちゃうだけだよね。

        反応:※15
      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 12:27:48 ID：ee871ec51            ★コメ返信★

        ギャブレット・ギャブレーをお忘れなく

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 13:29:59 ID：e834ba13b            ★コメ返信★

        ※13
        強い敵っていっても大概の場合あっさり死ぬけどね

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 13:44:55 ID：d10833e24            ★コメ返信★

        ﾊﾞｰﾝ・ﾊﾞﾆﾝｸﾞｽとティンプは最後まで強かったぞ

        反応:※17
      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 14:11:56 ID：5f3ab6f3b            ★コメ返信★

        ※16
        ティンプは強キャラ感凄かったわ
        内面的な弱さを感じないし

        反応:※18
      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 14:45:10 ID：b766d0f50            ★コメ返信★

        ※17
        ザブンより強いという設定だったからな
        (富野由悠季の世界展)

        反応:※21
      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 16:40:29 ID：3aaa130ed            ★コメ返信★

        ※8
        アムロを油断させて部下に狙撃させたのは上手い手でしたね…（なお本人も予想外のもよう

        反応:※20
      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 16:59:05 ID：e834ba13b            ★コメ返信★

        ※19
        小説の酷いと思う所は主人公死んだけどもう争いは起こらずめでたしめでたしで終わった所

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 21:13:10 ID：5f3ab6f3b            ★コメ返信★

        ※18
        知らないキャラだ…

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/03/11(Thu) 21:23:12 ID：b037ef141            ★コメ返信★

        キャラとしてジョナサンとママンは魅力的過ぎる

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/04/11(Sun) 01:22:37 ID：07a528a21            ★コメ返信★

        ジェリドは敵キャラてよりも災害に近いイメージある

      24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/06/01(Tue) 22:12:50 ID：b6f854fc0            ★コメ返信★

        ザビーネ……と言おうとしたが、感情を処理出来ない人間だったな
        マシュマーは最後は強そうだった。相手が主人公じゃなかったから？

        主人公が弱いアニメと言えば、地位を前主に奪われる種死
        あれはライバルがアスランでもキラでも強すぎ

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        ダンバインは妄執が強いほど強くなる設定だったので最後の方のバーンは手の付けられない強キャラだった

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