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    ゲルググは学徒兵ばっかで本来のスペック発揮出来なかったっていうけどさ



    1: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:24:08▼このレスに返信

    ゲルググは学徒兵ばっかり乗って本来のスペックを活かせなかったって後年の作品で語られてるけれどネームドベテランキャラも専用ゲルググ受領して戦果上げてるのと矛盾しないか
    29: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:48:28▼このレスに返信
    >1
    後年じゃなくて初代時点で
    ゲルググやリックドムに学徒が乗ってて動きが悪いってシーンがあるはずだが…
    41: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:53:56▼このレスに返信
    >29
    キシリアとトワニングの会話だったっけ
    3: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:31:23▼このレスに返信
    ネームドキャラの数なんてたかが知れてるんだから別に矛盾してないでしょ
    4: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:31:48▼このレスに返信
    一発で乗りこなせるようなエースは例外なんじゃね
    5: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:31:48▼このレスに返信
    短期間で乗りこなせるからネームドベテランキャラなんだよ
    9: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:36:48▼このレスに返信
    >5
    ただのベテランとエースの差を感じて好き
    6: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:35:05▼このレスに返信
    シャアもゲルググ乗ってるけどあんま結果出せなかったな
    80: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:13:44▼このレスに返信
    >6
    相手が悪かった
    96: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:19:58▼このレスに返信
    >80
    ぶっちゃけあの頃のシャアじゃ仮にサザビーに乗ってもアムロのガンダムに勝てない
    7: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:35:22▼このレスに返信
    本編の描写で言えば活躍ほぼゼロ
    外伝や玩具設定なら大活躍
    12: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:38:23▼このレスに返信
    1st単体で言うならジム以下の出番と活躍な気はする
    24: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:45:13▼このレスに返信
    初代のノーマルゲルググの活躍といえばGファイターのビーム回避してセイラさんに流石新型と言わせた直後に撃墜されるシーン
    15: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:39:31▼このレスに返信
    たった一年だけなのにべテランおすぎ!って話する?
    28: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:47:16▼このレスに返信
    >15
    開戦前からパイロットやってる人はいるだろ
    21: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:43:20▼このレスに返信
    ソロモンから急にMSの数おすぎ
    37: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:51:56▼このレスに返信
    機種変換訓練なんてやってらんねえよってモブベテラン兵がドムとかザク使い続けたって言うけどソロモンから逃げてきた奴らも混ざってるだろうけどアバオアクーに籠ってるだけの奴らがそんな感じなのに最前線で使い潰されてきたはずの海兵隊がなんでゲルググの発展型使いこなしてるんだろうな
    アバオアクーのベテラン兵サボりすぎじゃね?
    45: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:55:13▼このレスに返信
    >37
    そりゃ終戦後3年間のんびり訓練出来た海兵隊と今から本土決戦みたいな時に新品渡されたアバオアクー配備とじゃ比較にならんだろ
    49: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:56:04▼このレスに返信
    >45
    あいつらアバオアクーでも戦ってただろうし戦後にゲルググもらった訳でもないだろ
    57: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:03:46▼このレスに返信
    >45
    動かせば交換部品だって必要になるし他の残党は助けてくれないだろうし連邦にだって追われてるのにのんびり訓練か…
    17: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:40:41▼このレスに返信
    車でも車体の大きさや排気量が違うだけで運転の難易度が上がるしなぁ
    訓練しているとはいえ、複数の武装を積んだ大型兵器の乗り換えるのは大変そう
    20: 名無し 2022/08/10 20:42:52▼このレスに返信
    >17
    それどころか操縦の基礎からして違うらしいの!
    58: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:04:45▼このレスに返信
    一部乗り換えを嫌がったベテランがいるってだけで普通に乗り換えたベテランだっているだろうに
    69: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:09:22▼このレスに返信
    >58
    一方連邦パイロットは普通のジムじゃ物足りないって言ってソロモン攻略後からジムスナイパーカスタムの開発始めてアバオアクーで乗換間に合ってる訳だが…
    75: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:10:58▼このレスに返信
    >69
    V作戦の成果の一つである教育型コンピュータの効果の賜物だな
    82: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:13:59▼このレスに返信
    >69
    あれそもそも個別カスタムじゃねえか
    60: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:05:09▼このレスに返信
    乗り換え間に合わない云々の前になんで規格がまるで違うMSの新開発を…?
    65: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:07:16▼このレスに返信
    >60
    競争形式にすれば各社各部門頑張るかなって…
    56: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:03:43▼このレスに返信
    コンペの時点で操縦系のすり合わせの時間すらなかったんか
    64: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:07:12▼このレスに返信
    >56
    統合整備計画なんて言うものは一応あるがその時に量産されてた機体とは全く違う系統で統一した物凄くアホな計画なので…
    92: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:18:57▼このレスに返信
    むちゃくちゃ甘く見ても乗り換え期間二週間しかないのに乗り換えたいと思うか?
    100: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:21:05▼このレスに返信
    >92
    戦場で戦ったことないから分かんない…
    車なら行ける
    102: 名無し 2022/08/10 21:21:27▼このレスに返信
    命預ける機体だからな…
    得体の知れない新型より慣れた機体選ぶよ
    俺だって…

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 09:38:04 ID:e7c647be0            ★コメ返信★

        ジオンのベテラン「新しいのやだ覚えられない(´;ω;`)」
        連邦のベテラン「新型もっと持ってこい!」

        ジオンは負けて当然の人材しかいねーわこれ
        日本のジジイと一緒やん

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 09:48:15 ID:083cddad3            ★コメ返信★

        >>1
        最初から統合整備するべきだったよな
        ジオンはメーカーごとに色々作っていたのが裏目に出た
        まあ、勿論メリットもあったけど

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 10:15:03 ID:d1e703336            ★コメ返信★

        >記事80
        敵ではなかったから

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 10:16:10 ID:d1e703336            ★コメ返信★

        ※1
        成功体験に引きずられすぎなんよね
        ガデムが旧ザクでイキったのもそれ

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 10:27:17 ID:3557a6eda            ★コメ返信★

        数十年前のアニメの設定で文句言うやつってなんなのって思う

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 10:29:16 ID:b9e84b8e5            ★コメ返信★

        WW2からテキトーにつまみ食いしただけの設定をまじめに考えるのがアホ

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 10:42:52 ID:0b337724a            ★コメ返信★

        エースとベテランを一緒くたに考えてはいけない

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 10:46:08 ID:d1e703336            ★コメ返信★

        ※7
        エースは撃墜数だけで決まるから
        軍に長く居る人とは限らんからな

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 10:49:02 ID:d1e703336            ★コメ返信★

        学徒動員までしたのに、アムロみたいに目覚める奴居なかったの?
        それっぽいやつは全員フラナガン機関行き?

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 11:08:19 ID:29fe81ffb            ★コメ返信★

        ※3
        そのあと相打ちしてるけどなw

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 11:10:30 ID:29fe81ffb            ★コメ返信★

        >記事96
        ジオングで相打ちしたって事実を無かった事にするアンチの鑑
        さすがはゴミなんj民ですなw

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 11:17:48 ID:44c488719            ★コメ返信★

        IGLOOでゲルググ同士がアバオアクーで
        「敵来ないね…」「来るよ、きっと」みたいな会話してて
        いかにも場違いな場所に連れてこられた少年って感じが出てたな

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 11:28:31 ID:1ead24c92            ★コメ返信★

        闇夜のフェンリル隊だとベテランが乗り換え拒む描写ある
        マットとゲラートは最後(ジャブロー)までザクⅠ(ゲラートは専用機)
        ちなみに同僚のル・ローアはグフカスもらってるからな
        キシリアお抱えの特務隊だから本人が拒否しない限り良い機体もらえたはず

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 11:29:55 ID:596520394            ★コメ返信★

        ファーストが他のガンダム作品と違うのは明確に物量戦ってことだね
        点じゃなくて面で戦闘してるからアムロがいようがビグザムがいようが戦況は変わらないってのが後年評価されてるんじゃないの

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 11:51:37 ID:28893d8d9            ★コメ返信★

        ※5
        昭和が舞台のアニメに「女性軽視!文化のアップデートを!」って叫んでる連中と同レベルなんよな

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 11:57:32 ID:e267cc308            ★コメ返信★

        ※2
        連邦は新型っていってもジムだから同じ感覚で乗れるからな
        ジオンはザクとドムで大幅に機体構造ちがうし
        ゲルググは武装がほかの機種と違うしで使い勝手違いすぎ

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 12:10:17 ID:967ffe07f            ★コメ返信★

        ※16
        それに習熟訓練自体や実戦に出た際のバックアップ体制の充実具合も違うだろうしな

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 12:20:48 ID:d674c3371            ★コメ返信★

        速攻で新システムに適応したから名前付きのベテランなんでしょ。
        問題はそこらの一般兵が覚え直すぐらいならなれてるやつのがええわってなったことであって。

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 12:31:45 ID:59f786746            ★コメ返信★

        ※9
        アムロ「…いる!!(覚醒前のニュータイプ狙撃)
        覚醒前のニュータイプ「かあさーん!!(爆死)

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 12:57:18 ID:b04b22ea1            ★コメ返信★

        どんなのでも操縦できるのと強い弱いは別だろ

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 13:37:32 ID:dbafca8df            ★コメ返信★

        ベテランが乗れば十分な戦果を残せるだけのスペックはあった
        多くの機体は学徒兵が乗ったのでそのスペックは活かせなかった

        何が矛盾してるのか全く分からない

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 13:55:03 ID:b595a9593            ★コメ返信★

        まだまだ隠れた物語があるんだよ。
        今でも戦後80年経ってから新たな証言が出てるんだから。

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 14:04:30 ID:d1e703336            ★コメ返信★

        ※17
        まあ、ガウの操縦がフィードバック有りの一部人力操舵の描写あるからな

      24. 24. 名前:マサ 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 14:15:51 ID:e9354e694            ★コメ返信★

        ゲルググは普通に宇宙用や陸専用等ではザクを超えられたけど、現地改修とかではザクやジム程の汎用性はなかったように思える。戦後のガルバルディベータとハイザック、ジムII、マラサイ、ネモ辺りを比較してみると。ギラドーガやジェガンみたいなザクやジムの子孫は目立つけど、ゲルググの子孫は余り目立たない。

      25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 14:40:38 ID:d1e703336            ★コメ返信★

        ※24
        終戦直前に敗戦国側に出来た子はそんなもんよ
        流石にジオン側が自前で開発続けますなんて言えないだろうし、地上戦バリエーション展開とかもう意味ないし

      26. 26. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 15:09:57 ID:653c9e07e            ★コメ返信★

        ※1
        技術の違いだな、初期のジムなんかアムロのデータがないから歩くことすらままならない
        連邦はより使いやすくジオンはより高性能

      27. 27. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 15:16:30 ID:5e0064b6c            ★コメ返信★

        日ペの零戦や隼乗りが紫電改や四式戦への機種転換を訓練してる暇ねーだろバカヤロー!って拒否したネタを摘まんできただけだしな、一年戦争の機種転換ネタ
        まあ日ペパイロットの方は格闘戦に特化した軽戦の前二機種と高速性と高高度性能高めて爆撃機狩りや一撃離脱に特化した重戦じみた後ろ二機種で機体特性が全然違うやろがいッ!ってツッコミの要素も多分にあったんですけど

      28. 28. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 15:40:51 ID:ac931f03d            ★コメ返信★

        お題で言われてるベテランパイロット勢は1ヶ月近く前から先行量産型ゲルググ貰って慣熟訓練してたから時間は十分にあった方だぞ
        12月入ってから配備始まった量産型は慣熟訓練に1週間すら貰えず青葉区入りした連中が殆どなのでそりゃ全然性能発揮できないわ

      29. 29. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 15:55:11 ID:ee0c460e8            ★コメ返信★

        ガンダムも打ち切りのせいでゲルルグでシャア出てもすぐに腕を切られていたからな。一応、ガンダムと互角に戦えるスペックは在るらしい。でも覚醒アムロが一年戦争時では最強だったから単体では誰でも落とされた。

      30. 30. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 18:05:35 ID:dee873658            ★コメ返信★

        >記事1
        ベテランパイロットの中にもゲルググで戦果をあげたものもいるのは確かだけど、戦局そのものには影響無い程度でしかなく、ほとんどのゲルググは学徒動員の即席パイロットで戦果をあげれていないことが、劣勢の原因とキシリアに思われたってことやぞ。
        そういうキシリアがグラナダに戦力温存したり、キマイラも投入しなかったり、そのせいじゃね?とも思うけど。

      31. 31. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 20:37:13 ID:d1e703336            ★コメ返信★

        ※29
        まあ、シャアにとってはゲルググもジオングもキケロガまでの腰掛の予定だったしな

      32. 32. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/11(Thu) 20:47:14 ID:0932b81dd            ★コメ返信★

        ※1
        でもはじめにファミコンで鳴らしてたおっさん連中にアーケード版戦場の絆充てがったら非難轟々だと思うんだわ
        一度Xboxあたりででも慣らさないといきなりインカム必須全天周ディスプレイはキツイっていう話

      33. 33. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/12(Fri) 07:10:36 ID:b5ff8c9b3            ★コメ返信★

        ※26
        それだと最初にガンダムが歩けたのが不思議なんだが?

      34. 34. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/12(Fri) 07:13:51 ID:b5ff8c9b3            ★コメ返信★

        シャアはテキサスではいい勝負してたから
        しかもゲルググは慣らし運転もしてないぶっつけ本番
        ガンダムはアムロの操縦についていけなくて、マグネットコーティングが必要って所まで追い込まれてるから、それまでのどの敵より強かったはず

      35. 35. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/25(Thu) 11:27:49 ID:6a2bbb19d            ★コメ返信★

        >記事3
        うん。
        ある意味ガンダムやGM、そしてジオンでは統合整備計画後のギャンが操作性に重点を置いた。
        一方ゲルググはザクから転換するベテランに配慮して互換性に引きずられてるのとより高性能だが癖の強い装備が多かった。だからシャアをはじめとするネームドが戦果を挙げた一方で学徒兵にすれば慣熟時間が足りないまま戦場に放り出された。
        理想を言えばギャン、寧ろオッゴですらマシという状態。キシリアにしたら兵站の負担に見えただろうね、インターセプターとしてのギャンに対してマルチロールのゲルググ。
        防戦に徹して終戦交渉を始めなきゃいけないのにこの時期でまだ攻勢言ってるギレンはヒットラーの尻尾だよ。

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