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    【ガンダムZZ】グレミーって結局ザビ家の血筋だったの?



    1: 無念 2018/11/27 13:30:18 No.601581481 ▼このレスに返信

    グレみ
    5: 無念 2018/11/27 13:33:40 No.601581888 ▼このレスに返信
    アニメや小説とかどの媒体でも出自バラバラで結局ザビ家の誰なのか
    8: 無念 2018/11/27 13:34:56 No.601582053 ▼このレスに返信
    >結局ザビ家の誰なのか
    ギレンのクローンじゃなかったか
    6: 無念 2018/11/27 13:33:43 No.601581894 ▼このレスに返信
    いつの間にか偉くなっていつの間にか反乱した
    11: 無念 2018/11/27 13:37:55 No.601582370 ▼このレスに返信
    ギレンの隠し子とかだったっけ
    14: 無念 2018/11/27 13:49:27 No.601583724 ▼このレスに返信
    >ギレンの隠し子とかだったっけ
    それって死に設定じゃない?
    その方が夢があるけどさ
    12: 無念 2018/11/27 13:42:23 No.601582895 ▼このレスに返信
    試験管ベビーだっけ
    ギーレン兄弟もかな
    15: 無念 2018/11/27 13:49:46 No.601583769 ▼このレスに返信
    ・デギンの隠し子ザビ家五男
    ・ギレンの隠し子ザビ家正統後継者
    ・ギレンの精子使った試験管ベビー
    ・ギレンの生体クローン人間
    最低でもこれぐらいバラバラだったかと…アニメは劇中説明無しで文庫版ではデギンの隠し子
    16: 無念 2018/11/27 13:53:21 No.601584126 ▼このレスに返信
    本編でもわりと早い段階からハマーンに血筋のこと指摘されてるから途中までは設定されてたっぽいよね
    結局後半そこらへん掘り下げる余裕無くなったのか謎だけど
    17: 無念 2018/11/27 13:54:59 No.601584310 ▼このレスに返信
    19歳で謀反
    反乱
    18: 無念 2018/11/27 14:06:09 No.601585566 ▼このレスに返信
    謀叛っていうよりサイド3奪還コロニー落とし成功でアクシズ完全勝利エンド見えたから
    アクシズや旧ジオンの反ハマーン様派が戦後実権握るために御神輿にしただけなんだよなあグレミー
    なまじ地球での経験でおかしな使命感に芽生えてたからグレミー本人もノリノリで
    …結局そのせいで内部崩壊し連邦は労せず瀬戸際大逆転
    27: 無念 2018/11/27 14:32:43 No.601588678 ▼このレスに返信
    >謀叛っていうよりサイド3奪還コロニー落とし成功でアクシズ完全勝利エンド見えたから
    >アクシズや旧ジオンの反ハマーン様派が戦後実権握るために御神輿にしただけなんだよなあグレミー
    >なまじ地球での経験でおかしな使命感に芽生えてたからグレミー本人もノリノリで
    >…結局そのせいで内部崩壊し連邦は労せず瀬戸際大逆転
    何でジオン毎回勝ちみえた時点で余計なことやって自爆するん?
    29: 無念 2018/11/27 14:39:41 No.601589384 ▼このレスに返信
    >何でジオン毎回勝ちみえた時点で余計なことやって自爆するん?
    一年戦争もレビルの挑発に乗らず南極条約時点で停戦しとけば宇宙の大部分を月含めて貰えたしね
    継戦決めた後はキシリアさんがずっと私腹肥やして余計なことしてたし
    46: 無念 2018/11/27 18:25:09 No.601620381 ▼このレスに返信
    >謀叛っていうよりサイド3奪還コロニー落とし成功でアクシズ完全勝利エンド見えたから
    ハマーンはコロニー落としの成功で連邦相手に優位な休戦協定結ぼうとしたんだけど
    グレミーはアースノイド幻人全滅だ!って価値観なので
    そういうバカが現実見ずに盛り上がってグレミー持ち上げたんじゃないかな
    21: 無念 2018/11/27 14:09:49 No.601586018 ▼このレスに返信
    ラカンも落とした謎のカリスマ
    45: 無念 2018/11/27 18:22:14 No.601619839 ▼このレスに返信
    >>ラカンも落とした謎のカリスマ
    >ラカン自体がその場で優位なほうにつくだけの小物野郎だったし別に…
    ラカンはアースノイド虐殺したいヒャッハーなんだけど
    ハマーンが休戦って言い出したから好きなだけ虐殺させてくれるグレミーについた
    26: 無念 2018/11/27 14:32:33 No.601588657 ▼このレスに返信
    反ハマーン派も多いんじゃないか?ネオ・ジオンは
    ザビ家内部にも派閥があるのだし、中にはハマーンのことを誰だよこの小娘?マハラジャ・カーンの遺児だか何だか知らないがしゃしゃり出やがって……と疎ましく思っているのもいそう
    そいつ等がグレミーに付いたとか
    28: 無念 2018/11/27 14:35:04 No.601588926 ▼このレスに返信
    >反ハマーン派も多いんじゃないか?ネオ・ジオンは
    >ザビ家内部にも派閥があるのだし、中にはハマーンのことを誰だよこの小娘?マハラジャ・カーンの遺児だか何だか知らないがしゃしゃり出やがって……と疎ましく思っているのもいそう
    >そいつ等がグレミーに付いたとか
    この後アッサリシャアで纏まるしな
    シャアも逆シャア始まる時点で勝ちだったから5th落としはハマーン派残党がやった事にして粛清の材料で一石二鳥しつつダカール演説位置に戻ってる感じ位だから後は政治浸透進めるだけで良かったのに何か手段が納得行かなくてアムロと決闘ごっこやって自滅
    30: 無念 2018/11/27 14:44:11 No.601589874 ▼このレスに返信
    ZZ中盤時点でアクシズ=ジオン勝利エンドにはかつてない程に確定してたからなぁ
    そうなるとキシリアばりに戦後利権争いばかり考えて紛争中にハマーン様亡きものにしたかった一派いたんだろう
    ハマーン様はミネバ御神輿にしてたけど反ザビ家派ムンムンだったし
    33: 無念 2018/11/27 14:50:02 No.601590557 ▼このレスに返信
    戦争は勝ちすぎても問題ということか
    44: 無念 2018/11/27 18:20:12 No.601619445 ▼このレスに返信
    ミネバよりも継承権上の立場はギレンかキシリアの息子しかないだろう
    女性のキシリアが知られずに子供を作るのは無理なので
    消去法でギレンの息子と考えるのが自然か
    48: 無念 2018/11/27 18:29:15 No.601621099 ▼このレスに返信
    >ミネバよりも継承権上の立場はギレンかキシリアの息子しかないだろう
    クローンに継承権はないってのが最近の解釈じゃなかったっけ?
    50: 無念 2018/11/27 18:43:35 No.601624079 ▼このレスに返信
    ブロンドだしギレンのクローンはないな
    51: 無念 2018/11/27 18:48:05 No.601625034 ▼このレスに返信

    >ブロンドだしギレンのクローンはないな
    代理母の卵子提供者が金髪だったのでは?
    25: 無念 2018/11/27 14:25:59 No.601587918 ▼このレスに返信

    軍が割れる程度には御輿の効果はあったわけだし親はギレン?
    40: 無念 2018/11/27 15:41:20 No.601597007 ▼このレスに返信
    このアホのせいでネオジオンは滅亡した
    41: 無念 2018/11/27 15:49:11 No.601598140 ▼このレスに返信
    内紛はジオンの伝統

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        ジオン死後内紛してザビ家権力掌握
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