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    1: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:26:40▼このレスに返信

    ハサウェイは正しかったのか否か
    4: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:30:31▼このレスに返信
    正しくないから処刑されたんじゃん
    3: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:30:06▼このレスに返信
    やってることが市街地テロじゃなぁ…
    11: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:47:15▼このレスに返信
    女運がなさすぎた
    42: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:13:36▼このレスに返信
    >11
    最高の女を引き当てたから
    プロポーズしとけばそれだけで生存ルート行けた
    49: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:16:37▼このレスに返信
    >42
    ギギは地雷発言したのが原因なんで根本的にムリ
    どうやってもギギが地雷発言する
    54: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:20:04▼このレスに返信
    >49
    結局ノーマルルートで登頂するということか
    って言っちゃうキギ
    88: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:58:03▼このレスに返信
    さっさとギギ抱けばよかったのにこの作戦が終わったら抱くか!なんて考えてるうちに電子レンジされて終わった
    14: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:49:43▼このレスに返信
    実はなにしたかったのかよく知らない
    15: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:52:09▼このレスに返信
    >14
    連邦政府がオーストラリアの土地を好き勝手に収用できる法律を廃案にしたかった
    33: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:04:42▼このレスに返信
    >15
    対象はオーストラリアだけに限らないけどね
    例えばの例でオーストラリアが挙げられたけど
    その結果どうなったか映画のF91でもマイッツァーが説明してる
    16: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:52:13▼このレスに返信
    小説だと上級国民有利な法律通そうとしてた議員と政府官僚を殺して回ってた
    17: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:53:23▼このレスに返信
    >16
    それって空いた席に補充されるだけじゃないの?
    32: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:03:47▼このレスに返信
    >17
    そうだよ
    でも法案可決直前でもう実力行使をやるしか手が無いのよ
    内部に入って仕組みから変えるとか手遅れ
    37: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:09:25▼このレスに返信
    >32
    可決直前どころか一年前にそういう法案が考えられて最初から可決決定済み
    合法的に会議やって決定したことにするから公的な表向き合法な法案の詳細とか文章作成がされてるけど
    それが間に合ってなくて下っ端が頭抱えてる
    25: 名無し 2022/05/23 20:58:16▼このレスに返信
    真の上級は議員・閣僚や政府官僚にならず影に隠れてる
    38: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:10:07▼このレスに返信
    法案止められなかったように見せてただ連邦にまだ世界にはこんなに脅威あるよ!軍拡!したいだけなので当人らはともかくマフティー自体は道化以外の何物でもないのでね
    41: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:13:26▼このレスに返信
    >38
    この時期には軍部もとっくにやる気なくしてるし
    予算は最低限出てるから連邦もアナハイムも軍拡なんて企んでないよ
    アナハイムなんかはこの頃から民間事業に注力してるから軍事関係に出資とかしたくないレベル
    45: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:15:27▼このレスに返信
    >41
    ジオンていうわかりやすい脅威が消えてやる気きえてるからクワック・サルヴァーがマフティーあてつけて煽ってるんだろ…
    60: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:25:30▼このレスに返信
    >45
    連邦もバカじゃないからいざというときのために(高官たちが保険のためにも)戦力は維持してる
    だからグスタフカールとケッサリアが量産配備されてるし
    首都防衛とかのためにペーネロペーなんかの建造許可が下りてる
    コロニーの駐留部隊なんかもコロニー新造した分だけ増やしたりしてる
    57: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:24:07▼このレスに返信
    クワックサルヴァの真意が分からんのがね
    本気で地球何とかしたいと思ってるのか、自分の勢力拡げたいだけなのか?
    71: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:34:16▼このレスに返信
    >57
    マフティー使って敵対してる政治家消してたって事でしょケネスもクワックサルヴァーは高位の政治家って予想してたし
    77: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:41:02▼このレスに返信
    >71
    原作での話からすると
    もし敵対派閥とか政治家消すのが狙いだったらもう全部敵だろうし
    すでに閣僚ほぼ全席分の人数は死んでるし、すぐに後任で補充されるから意味ない

    それでケネスがある程度絞って監視と調査やったけど政治家側にそれらしい奴はいなかったと言われてる
    ハサウェイも「いなかったのか?」と言ってるので政治家って話も嘘な可能性ある

    86: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:57:24▼このレスに返信
    クワックは誰か明かされないけど
    『ケネスが調べてない人物』でケネスの推理にある『一番安全なとこにいる』に該当する人物がいる
    そいつがクワックなら考えられる目的は3つぐらいのどれかになるけどそんな大物イメージないから
    こいつがクワックと言われてもう~ん?ってなる
    小物っぽい描写も数える程度しかないが
    56: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:22:50▼このレスに返信
    今一目的意識がないんだよね
    目的がないのに正しいも間違ってるもない
    62: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:27:40▼このレスに返信
    >56
    マフティーの本当の目的自体はアニメ版でも言われてる
    ただしそこの答えの意味に辿り着くまでにだいぶかかる
    118: 名無し 2022/05/23 22:14:25▼このレスに返信
    ハサウェイが狙ってるのが現行政府は潰さず
    マフティーってテロ組織に現行政府が屈したことにもせず
    現行政府をあくまで民意で改革させることだから
    ベリーハード過ぎる。それが出来そうな情勢だったけど
    47: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:16:25▼このレスに返信
    映画見たけどハサウェイは自分が無駄なことしてるのに気がついちゃったのが悲しいね
    51: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:17:59▼このレスに返信
    作者の禿にも憐れな奴だと思われてるし救いようがない馬鹿なんだろう
    52: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:19:20▼このレスに返信
    でも鬱病患者に取り入ってテロリストに仕立て上げる世界も悪いんですよ…
    72: 名無し 2022/05/23 21:34:21▼このレスに返信
    >52
    やっぱり医療政策をちゃんとしなかった保健衛生大臣のせいか

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:02:08 ID:3eb135f42            ★コメ返信★

        シャアの反乱もロンド・ベル1部隊で対応してたし、ジオン残党も公安活動みたいなので狩ってるしで、連邦政府と連邦軍は1年戦争レベルの戦争は起きないって認識
        マフティーはシャアのネオジオン未満のテロ組織だったし
        この間にブッホ・コンツェルンを捜査してない時点でお察しよ

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:05:29 ID:ae10c32d4            ★コメ返信★

        富野もテロやってる奴は何言ってようがクズって認識だから
        逆シャアも閃ハサもクズだよ
        本人もサンライズに何回火炎瓶投げ込もうかと思ったけどそれはあかんと踏みとどまったおじさんだし

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:16:18 ID:b4253f81d            ★コメ返信★

        若造に強いロボを持たせるから格差も差別なんとかして・・・ってのがまず無茶だから
        ずっと後の世代に望み託して今は現状維持するしかないもんなあ
        底辺で迫害されて差別されて死ぬ人が目の前に山のように出続けているけど
        そういう人の生死もテロよりマシなしょうがない犠牲と割り切るしかない
        どんな強いMSでも世直しは出来ない、それをやろうとするからみんなしくじる

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:22:24 ID:b48689217            ★コメ返信★

        やり方に問題あるけど主張は基本的に正しい
        この連邦の体質が腐敗の加速と連邦制の崩壊につながってるし上級による人狩りなんて肯定されちゃいけない

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:23:59 ID:b48689217            ★コメ返信★

        ※2
        テロリズムの意味で言えばエウーゴもカラバもテロ組織なのでは?

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:27:58 ID:b4253f81d            ★コメ返信★

        ジオンが戦争吹っ掛けてた時代と違い
        この時代ぐらいからガチで腐りはじめるのが困る・・・

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:29:44 ID:72b5a501b            ★コメ返信★

        ※3
        結局、それって「彼らが最初共産主義者を攻撃したとき」の詩そのまんまなんだけどね。
        足元から崩れてるときに、自分たちが迫害される番になったときに声をあげても遅いのだ。

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:30:52 ID:26e4b7521            ★コメ返信★

        ※5
        カラバはともかくエウーゴは軍部内での対ティターンズの組織のハズなのに反地球連邦とかジオンの落ち武者を集めたりアクシズと手を組んだりとブレックスとエウーゴの存在が害悪になりつつあったからあそこで殺されたのは良かったんじゃないかな?

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:33:18 ID:72b5a501b            ★コメ返信★

        そもそもキンバレーはもちろん、ケネス自身も白色テロ実行しとるし、閃ハサ自体、もう救いようのない体制の中で藻掻く男たちの青春というか。

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:39:29 ID:72b5a501b            ★コメ返信★

        ※5
        定義的には当てはまらないような。
        暴力による政治目的の達成を掲げてるのはティターンズで、それに対する抵抗運動を目的に掲げてるから少なくともカラバもエゥーゴもテロ組織ではないな。
        ティターンズは白色テロルを実行してるけど、エゥーゴは赤色テロルを実行してるわけじゃない。あくまで白色テロルへの抵抗だよ。
        組織を構成してる連中は胡散臭いけどな。

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:41:14 ID:b4253f81d            ★コメ返信★

        F91を経てVからGセイバーまで碌なことがなくて
        大勢の人が虫けらみたいに酷い死にかたして
        じわじわ衰退劣化してゆく世界だからしゃーない
        進歩するのはMS技術だけ

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:47:09 ID:ae10c32d4            ★コメ返信★

        ハサウェイは民間施設狙って民間人も殺してる時点でどうしようもないよ
        本来宇宙世紀で主人公やっていいようなキャラじゃない

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 15:55:41 ID:701e73188            ★コメ返信★

        ヴェーダやイオリア、ヴェイガンの様な勢力に取り入って入れば良かったかもな。

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 16:06:05 ID:b4253f81d            ★コメ返信★

        ※7
        「人間の知恵はそんなもんだって乗り越えられる!」
        「ならば今すぐ愚民ども全てに英知を授けて見せろ!」
        ガンダム世界における敵味方の思想というかスタンスを見事に表してると思う

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 16:17:00 ID:6ca0d2555            ★コメ返信★

        ※6
        いや棄民から始まってるんで宇宙世紀って時代はもう…
        人類がガチ衰退始めた頃なのよそもそも
        老も若きもぶっちゃけみんな自覚してて
        NTなんて夢にでもすがらなきゃ生きていけないし
        救いを求めて手段なんて選べもしなかったんだろう

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 16:50:41 ID:e2f873a87            ★コメ返信★

        ※15
        棄民じゃなくて宇宙というフロンティア開発の移民だから…
        全人類の願いと祈りと共に送り出したから…

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 17:09:59 ID:233de624a            ★コメ返信★

        ハサウェイは自分のやってることは多分無駄だし行き着く先は犬死であろうことも自覚してる
        だけど現状ほっといてもどうせ誰かがやることになるだろうし、だったら要らない自分の命を使ってその役割をやればいいやくらいの気持ち

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 19:04:55 ID:8ea39e4bb            ★コメ返信★

        >記事72
        オチで笑かすな

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 19:36:37 ID:0bb60b069            ★コメ返信★

        まぁそれでも生存してほしい

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 19:53:52 ID:a4f58219f            ★コメ返信★

        テロやって捕まって銃殺でどう見ても茶番クラス

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/24(Tue) 23:46:30 ID:ff0e43157            ★コメ返信★

        ハサウェイもハサウェイで良くはないのだが、マンハンターも年に数十万単位で狩ってる設定なので(漫画だけの設定かも)、連邦の腐敗度もティターンズ期とどっこいかそれ以上なのだとは思う

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/25(Wed) 06:01:24 ID:0690b8dd6            ★コメ返信★

        連邦高官の地位を利用して内部から改革すればよかったのにテロリストになって処刑されるとかほんまもんの大馬鹿

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/25(Wed) 12:20:30 ID:b5aa1ceb5            ★コメ返信★

        両親から受け継いだモブっぽい目が悪い

      24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/25(Wed) 13:46:50 ID:183c6dbdb            ★コメ返信★

        ※17
        ハサウェイの行動は革命に狂ってるとかそういうのじゃなく
        世の中や人生に希望を持てない人の手の込んだ自殺な気もする

      25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/25(Wed) 18:29:21 ID:0a103b6f4            ★コメ返信★

        ※22
        出来ないしさせない制度にしようとしたから事起こしたんだけど、ネオジオンにさえ日和った連邦が今更強権振りかざすなんてする訳も無く精々鎖国するだけなんだよね

      26. 26. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/26(Thu) 12:10:35 ID:8f6fe18e0            ★コメ返信★

        結果だけ見れば連邦内の権力闘争、内ゲバのピエロにされただけなんだよなハサ
        ハサ自身は最初から死に場所求めてただけでその結果社会に対して何かしら訴えられたらいいなあくらいのモチベーション
        立ち位置的にはクルーゼが最も近い。クルーゼはこんなクソみたいな世界なんて滅べばいいのにって博打うち続けたらだいたいその通りになり続けて狂喜乱舞した、ハサは世界がなんとなくいい方にいけばいいなって博打うったらスッた
        どっちに転んでもまあ…みたいな半ばヤケクソ無敵メンタルだったのは共通点だと思う

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