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【疑問】MSって一機当たりいくらぐらいの価格なんだろう…？

1: 名無し 2022/09/22 12:23:45

MSって一機当たり幾らなんだろう

3: 名無し 2022/09/22 12:27:41

画像のは開発費で質問は単価？

6: 名無し 2022/09/22 12:32:01

>3
ああそう考えるとズレたスレ立てちゃったな

2: 名無し 2022/09/22 12:27:03

費用対効果で考えたら100億～200億円あたりが妥当じゃない？

23: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:04:46

ザク1機日本円換算で5億くらい

25: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:06:06

戦闘機より安いやん…

5: 名無し 2022/09/22 12:29:19

通貨単位がわからん

29: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:10:39

通貨単位はダムだよ

22: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:03:49

建造期間も気になる

44: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:28:48

>通貨単位はセント（『機動戦士Zガンダム』）、ギラ（『機動戦士ガンダムZZ』）、ハイトおよびクール（『機動戦士ガンダム0080 ポケットの中の戦争』）など場所や時期により異なる
知らんかった覚えておこう

45: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:30:05

通貨統一されてないのか…だからアクシズは金塊で買ってたのか

48: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:43:36

今の戦闘機くらいの価値なんじゃないの

67: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:56:47

大体今の戦闘機が一機あたり100億円超
そこに複雑な手足とか核融合炉とか搭載するとなると更に値段は上がりそう

70: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:58:39

>67
ガンダムはそもそもお腹に戦闘機が入ってるし
その計算には意味がないのではないだろうか

33: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:13:05

近年のAIの発展ぶりを見てると
技術コストめっちゃ安くなってるんだろう

91: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:16:36

ハロがディアゴスティーニ感覚でできる世の中だから
ちょっとどころじゃない技術がたくさんあるのかも

96: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:18:36

工事現場でも重機MSがあるからほんとピンキリなんだろうな

8: 名無し 2022/09/22 12:34:52

アナハイムは数作んないと単価下がんないのに量産に向きませんでしたって試作機を作りすぎだと思う

18: 名無し 2022/09/22 12:52:16

>8
一年戦争後は小規模な紛争ばっかだから数より質で売った方が利益出るんだろう

32: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:12:30

>8
アナハイム的にMS部門とかはそこまで重要でもないだろうし適当にやってそう

36: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:14:28

個人所有も特に問題ないっぽいんだよねMS

39: 名無し 2022/09/22 13:18:10

>36
まあ武装もないハイザック一機だしね
現実でも昔の戦闘機所有してる金持ちとかいるし
ΖΖでそんな金持ちもいたな

80: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:05:59

ホビーハイザックとかあるし多分そんな高くないと思う…

84: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:10:09

>80
個人所有出来るって言ってもあの世界個人でコロニーすら所有できるような超超格差社会だからどうだろう…？

87: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:13:25

ガンダムXの世界だとガンダム一機売り払えば孫子の時代まで遊んで暮らせるお金が手に入ると言っていた
家族を食わせていくにはエアマスターが必要だとか言って売らないやつもいたので
設定が一定してねえな…と思ったが

90: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:15:12

モヒカンがそこら中にいる世界なんだし戦力になるガンダム持ってた方がいいだろ

89: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:15:10

まぁ安めに見積もって10億円でも親子三代は余裕で暮らせるだろう…

81: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:07:36

その点ATってすげぇコストパフォーマンスだよなスコタコ一台で100万もしないらしいし
まあ宇宙世紀とアストラギウス銀河の技術力の差ともいうが

83: 名無し 2022/09/22 14:09:08

ボトムズのATの安価さはコストカットと超技術と大量生産ありきだからな

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 18:13:38 ID：e517a59f4 ★コメ返信★

ギレンの野望で分かるんだよなぁ
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 18:23:52 ID：76ba0e313 ★コメ返信★

ATってそこまで安かったのか
1/1の迫力に気圧されたのに、あれが自動車感覚で買えちゃう世界って…
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 18:31:01 ID：267da509c ★コメ返信★

>記事48
牛丼やラーメンが現地でおいくらなのかによるし…
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 18:35:44 ID：6df407370 ★コメ返信★

「Ｆ－３５がｘｘ億だからもっとかな」というのは、ジャブローのジム工場見たかぎり当てはまらんだろうな。今どきの戦闘機なんて、ほとんど『手作り』だからな！オートメ工場で組めるＭＳなら１０億台かもしれん。
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 18:38:55 ID：1a78672ef ★コメ返信★

言うてドズルが二話から早々にザクは貴重なもんだと説明してくれたからなあ

反応:※7
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 18:47:22 ID：82ebc3d61 ★コメ返信★

>記事36
グフ重装型は個人所有だったなぁ
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 18:52:16 ID：267da509c ★コメ返信★

※5
あの時にパプアでなくザク満載の巡洋艦の1隻も送っておけば…

反応:※14
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 19:12:07 ID：76ba0e313 ★コメ返信★

例えばパトレイバー世界ではレイバーが一般流通してて、装甲とか必要ないからFRP素材で作られてるわけだけど、案外MSも基本フレームは工業用と大差なくて、外装とかそこらへんで差別化されてんじゃないかな
装甲で覆って武装盛ってそれらを運用するために出力の高いエンジン積んで重くなった機体飛ばすためのブースター付けて…ってやってくから高くなるだけで、特にムーバブルフレーム採用されたZ以降は、MS単体ではそこまで無茶な価格じゃないのかも

反応:※19
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 19:34:24 ID：9354cf59c ★コメ返信★

資源がそもそもどこにあるんだろうと思うわ。基本は鉄なんだろうけど合金作る各種ミネラルが宇宙で思い通りに採取出来るとは到底思えんな。

あと核融合炉が発展でどれだけ小型化されようがそれを胴体に搭載してブンブン飛び回ると言う運用にコスト感と合理性を感じない。
融合路が動いてる間は瞬間的に出力出したり切ったりゆっくり出力あげてたのに急に全開とか出来るもんなの？

明らかに電力とガスのコンビネーションの方が速くて強いと思うわ

反応:※10
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 19:47:17 ID：267da509c ★コメ返信★

※9
なんで宇宙で取れないと思うのかが謎
むしろ全てが酸化物になる地表面より還元しなくて済む原料が有るぞ
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 20:18:32 ID：e3b0203c0 ★コメ返信★

なんかの小説でMS一機作る金で老人ホーム3個は優に建てられるって書かれてたからそのくらいなんじゃない？
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 23:23:13 ID：b59318ef0 ★コメ返信★

ZZの設定資料にギラという単位で価格表記があったけど数千万だよ
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/22(Thu) 23:26:26 ID：b59318ef0 ★コメ返信★

プチモビで数千万だよ
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/23(Fri) 02:09:22 ID：0a1e1d6ef ★コメ返信★

※7
それでもアムロだけは生き残りそう
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/23(Fri) 03:49:30 ID：66046a0f7 ★コメ返信★

アルキメデスの大戦で出た理論（軍艦の価格は部材の重量から算出できる）で考えてみた。

ジム相当のF-16が自重8トンで30年以上前の初期型で1500万ドル、現行型が2000万ドル。
（量産型）ガンダム相当のF-22が自重20トン程度で1億5000万ドルと約8倍。
重量で倍、ほとんどアルミのF-16からチタン4割とステルス素材使ってる分の4倍と仮置き。

ガンダムは40トン越えなのでF-22の倍、素材がチタンよりさらに高そうなのでまたここで4倍と置いてみるとF-22の8倍の12億ドルで1500億円。B-2の2000億円よりは安かった。
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/23(Fri) 04:01:14 ID：66046a0f7 ★コメ返信★

ちなみに、F-35だと自重が15トンでF-22の75%、チタン使用率がF-22の4割で価格が半額の8000万ドル。
重さと素材でだいたい計算できるんじゃないかと思う。
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/23(Fri) 09:08:10 ID：015d61852 ★コメ返信★

戦車や戦闘機より複雑とはいっても生産量がダンチだしSFの世界だからなあ
現代のそれらよりは安いと思う
あんま描写されないからわからないけど民間・工業用でも広く生産されてるなら人型してて最低限クラスで数千万くらいか?

反応:※20
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/23(Fri) 11:08:32 ID：079527d8c ★コメ返信★

>記事39
ってもハイザックとか、初期型のF-16とかレガシーホーネットを個人所有みたいな話では…
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/23(Fri) 12:22:48 ID：5da962e70 ★コメ返信★

※8
フレームこそ強度いるだろ。何十トンっていう機体を支えないかんのだから。
むしろ装甲こそどうでもいい。ビームライフルの直撃に耐える装甲材が存在しないんだから。
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/24(Sat) 01:58:00 ID：bddffe3f9 ★コメ返信★

※17
結局、加工費とか組み立て費はたいした問題にならないんだよ。
その時代におけるコスト効率の高い工作機械、設備で加工、組み立てされるわけだし。
資源、素材コストが問題。

生産数はF-22が180，F-16が5,000機、Mig-17なんかだと10,000機。
ザクII、ジムが4,000機前後だから似たようなもんじゃない？
短期間で作っているけど、ライン増やせば空母だって毎週進水させられるんだし。
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