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    【ガンダムTHE ORIGIN 】この人はなんでデギンとの約束破ったの?



    1: 2019/03/10 11:32:25 No.575145594 ▼このレスに返信

    なんで裏切ったの
    3: 2019/03/10 11:33:32 No.575145783 ▼このレスに返信
    内情が大した事なかったから
    4: 2019/03/10 11:35:16 No.575146092 ▼このレスに返信
    デギンはともかくギレンとかキシリアの思惑として戦争継続したがってたし
    5: 2019/03/10 11:39:11 No.575146704 ▼このレスに返信
    ジオン調子に乗らせたら絶対ろくなことにならんし…
    6: 2019/03/10 11:39:26 No.575146743 ▼このレスに返信
    これずっと思っているんだけど敵国にボロ負けした挙句捕虜になり恥ずかしながら生きて戻ってまいりましたした人間がこんな威勢のいい事言った所で何の説得力もないのでは…
    7: 2019/03/10 11:41:30 No.575147046 ▼このレスに返信
    バリバリの武闘派で講話とか全く考えなさそう
    8: 2019/03/10 11:42:20 No.575147156 ▼このレスに返信
    >バリバリの武闘派で講話とか全く考えなさそう
    デギンの和平には応じてるし戦争大好きというわけではないだろう
    13: 2019/03/10 11:44:01 No.575147436 ▼このレスに返信
    >デギンの和平には応じてるし
    和平しなくとも短期で勝てると思って約束破ったけど
    戦ってみたら手ごわかったからやっぱり仲直りしよ!と言い始める
    9: 2019/03/10 11:42:33 No.575147199 ▼このレスに返信
    ジジイなのに敵地から自力で脱出して演説!って世間には見えるのでヒューかっこいーってなる
    11: 2019/03/10 11:43:15 No.575147313 ▼このレスに返信
    南極で講和条約の話し合い中にドッギャーンってぶち込んで来たからな…
    15: 2019/03/10 11:44:37 No.575147524 ▼このレスに返信
    オリジンだと戦争続けたいキシリアがわざと逃したのはっきり描かれてたね
    1stだとどういう設定なんだろこの辺の脱走
    17: 2019/03/10 11:45:03 No.575147593 ▼このレスに返信
    最後は手のひら帰してやっぱり和平しようとしてソーラレイに吹っ飛ばされたのは自業自得としか言いようがない
    33: 2019/03/10 11:49:10 No.575148323 ▼このレスに返信
    >最後は手のひら帰してやっぱり和平しようとしてソーラレイに吹っ飛ばされたのは自業自得としか言いようがない
    別に不利な状態の講話は嫌だから戦争続けるけどこっちが有利な状態でそっちから講話持ちかけてくるなら応じるよって何もおかしくなくない?
    22: 2019/03/10 11:45:47 No.575147732 ▼このレスに返信
    当時でも一般層とインテリ層とで評価は全然違うと思う
    後者は間違いなくあの演説に冷笑的
    67: 2019/03/10 11:58:24 No.575149831 ▼このレスに返信
    >当時でも一般層とインテリ層とで評価は全然違うと思う
    >後者は間違いなくあの演説に冷笑的
    むしろインテリ層ほどギレンの危険性に気づいてジオン叩かないとヤバイってなってると思うぞ
    23: 2019/03/10 11:45:51 No.575147742 ▼このレスに返信
    マ・クベの水爆の脅しにも知るかバカ!みたいに進軍してたしやっぱヤバイ人なんじゃ
    36: 2019/03/10 11:50:52 No.575148591 ▼このレスに返信
    初期のガンダムは騎士ガンダムくらいの知識しかないけどこの人イイモンなの?
    37: 2019/03/10 11:51:14 No.575148649 ▼このレスに返信
    >初期のガンダムは騎士ガンダムくらいの知識しかないけどこの人イイモンなの?
    わるい大人だよ
    38: 2019/03/10 11:51:19 No.575148670 ▼このレスに返信
    >初期のガンダムは騎士ガンダムくらいの知識しかないけどこの人イイモンなの?
    ジオンが正義だよ?
    40: 2019/03/10 11:52:05 No.575148793 ▼このレスに返信
    >初期のガンダムは騎士ガンダムくらいの知識しかないけどこの人イイモンなの?
    約束破って戦争を無駄に長引かせたのは悪いな…
    48: 2019/03/10 11:54:04 No.575149129 ▼このレスに返信
    >初期のガンダムは騎士ガンダムくらいの知識しかないけどこの人イイモンなの?
    初期段階ではそれなりにに良い人よりだったけど
    オリジンが出たことで一気にタカ派イメージが強くなった
    53: 2019/03/10 11:55:15 No.575149322 ▼このレスに返信
    >オリジンが出たことで一気にタカ派イメージが強くなった
    オリジンは安彦の思想バリバリすぎてお禿とよくやっていけたな当時って気分になる
    78: 2019/03/10 12:00:08 No.575150138 ▼このレスに返信
    >>オリジンが出たことで一気にタカ派イメージが強くなった
    >オリジンは安彦の思想バリバリすぎてお禿とよくやっていけたな当時って気分になる
    安彦の話聞く限り当時からあんまり上手くやれてはいないよね
    52: 2019/03/10 11:55:13 No.575149317 ▼このレスに返信
    これ押しつぶせるな…て思ったら軍人なら攻めるほう選ぶでしょう
    えっ連邦政治はどうなってるんだって?
    政軍一体ですよ!

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/03/11(Mon) 11:37:30 ID:9d1bfdace            ★コメ返信★

        先日、『ファウンダー』という映画を見た
        レイ・クロックとマクドナルド兄弟の”紳士協定”は守られなかったという
        契約とか条約でもなければ、そんなものかなと

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/03/11(Mon) 11:49:23 ID:14b054844            ★コメ返信★

        ぶっちゃけ、オリジンとかTVとかでもそうだが、
        軍官僚としてのゴップの有能さにレビルら連邦軍人も
        ジオン星人も踊らされてるだけ、みたいな。
        0083のジャミトフもそういう位置だよね。

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/03/11(Mon) 12:21:39 ID:2a10910d6            ★コメ返信★

        >安彦の話聞く限り当時からあんまり上手くやれてはいないよね

        ガンダムに関わっても途中でリタイアばかりするからね。

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/03/11(Mon) 12:44:05 ID:c920d40cd            ★コメ返信★

        お禿も安彦の腕は全面肯定できるけど人柄は全面否定したいとか言ってたよな確か

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/03/11(Mon) 20:44:26 ID:edfba9958            ★コメ返信★

        >政軍一体ですよ!
        ある程度仕方ないんじゃないかなあ……
        人が死にすぎなんだよね
        よくまあ政治家の数足りたよ

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/07/24(Wed) 18:11:37 ID:ff4488205            ★コメ返信★

        せやかて、この人が抗戦を訴えなかったらヤバいことになってね?
        ギレンは地球と仲良くやってこうなんて考えないマジ基血やん。

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/08/04(Sun) 18:43:11 ID:6743d766c            ★コメ返信★

        むしろデギンが信用したほうが不思議だけど
        サイド3駐留時代からそれなりに付き合いがあって
        デギンとしては友人のつもりだったんだろか

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/08/14(Wed) 10:49:45 ID:719716e77            ★コメ返信★

        ゴップ持ち上げすぎだろう

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/30(Mon) 18:06:32 ID:fa573085f            ★コメ返信★

        ゴップ持ち上げはジョニーのせい

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/10/18(Fri) 20:19:22 ID:672003e30            ★コメ返信★

        昔から嫌いだわ

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        レビルみたいな将軍が後の世に居ないのが問題だな。全身全霊でジオンを叩こうとした結果、前線指揮してた将軍達はかなり亡くなってるみたいだし。

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