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【ガンダム】マッハ3で飛んでる戦闘機をどうやってMSで落とすの…？

1: 2020/04/11 01:55:02 No.678571031 ▼このレスに返信

ガンダム世界の戦闘機って余裕でM3の速度で飛んでるんだけど
これをどうやってMSで落とすん？

2: 2020/04/11 01:56:46 No.678571330 ▼このレスに返信

どうって銃向けてトリガー引くだけですけど…

3: 2020/04/11 01:56:56 No.678571363 ▼このレスに返信

勝手に落ちる

4: 2020/04/11 01:57:14 No.678571448 ▼このレスに返信

レーダー無しでM3で戦闘機動を出来ると？

5: 2020/04/11 01:57:39 No.678571518 ▼このレスに返信

冷静に人型兵器で戦闘機落とせるわけないだろって考えたら負けなんだ

6: 2020/04/11 01:58:10 No.678571603 ▼このレスに返信

Mh3は最高速でその速度で対地攻撃できるわけじゃないはずだし…

18: 2020/04/11 02:07:26 No.678573051 ▼このレスに返信

>Mh3は最高速でその速度で対地攻撃できるわけじゃないはずだし…
なのにドップは何故か常にマッハ5で飛んでるみたいな扱いにしたがる人が多い

10: 2020/04/11 02:04:01 No.678572545 ▼このレスに返信

ていうかGファイターとかコアブースターとか普通に火力与えたらMS圧倒出来てたよね戦闘機

28: 2020/04/11 02:13:28 No.678573930 ▼このレスに返信

>ていうかGファイターとかコアブースターとか普通に火力与えたらMS圧倒出来てたよね戦闘機
WB隊でアムロの次にキルスコアをセイラさんが稼いでるまであるな
宇宙出てからは確実にカイやスレッガーさんより活躍してる

14: 2020/04/11 02:05:48 No.678572818 ▼このレスに返信

実際セイラさんのGファイターは地球でかなり無双している

33: 2020/04/11 02:16:35 No.678574399 ▼このレスに返信

そもそもコアファイターってMSのジェネレータ乗った戦闘機だからオーバースペックだ

35: 2020/04/11 02:17:33 No.678574540 ▼このレスに返信

核融合炉積んでるMSの方がレーダー出力も高いだろうしサシでやり合ったら速力くらいしかアドバンテージ無くないか航空機

38: 2020/04/11 02:19:22 No.678574790 ▼このレスに返信

>核融合炉積んでるMSの方がレーダー出力も高いだろうしサシでやり合ったら速力くらいしかアドバンテージ無くないか航空機
レーダーはミノ粉できかんが熱光学機器の総量でMSには勝てなそう

42: 2020/04/11 02:20:57 No.678575000 ▼このレスに返信

というか火力を補った戦闘機どころかサイズ的にはもうMAみたいなもんだろGファイターもコアブースターも…

44: 2020/04/11 02:22:15 No.678575175 ▼このレスに返信

>Gファイターもコアブースターも
この辺わりと有用だったあたりは連邦の航空機に足りないのはビーム兵器だったと思われる

56: 2020/04/11 02:29:13 No.678576117 ▼このレスに返信

一年戦争は思ってるほどMS戦してないからな

58: 2020/04/11 02:31:45 No.678576418 ▼このレスに返信

>一年戦争は思ってるほどMS戦してないからな
最後の2ヶ月が濃厚すぎる…

59: 2020/04/11 02:31:51 No.678576427 ▼このレスに返信

>一年戦争は思ってるほどMS戦してないからな
ファーストだとオデッサはデプロッグと戦車位しか写らないけど後付けでMSが大量にいた事になってる…

57: 2020/04/11 02:30:24 No.678576247 ▼このレスに返信

オデッサ作戦なんか主力の本隊が戦車隊だしな…

62: 2020/04/11 02:34:27 No.678576744 ▼このレスに返信

比較的MS多いジオン側にしても正面の主力は戦車でそいつらが支えてるうちにMS大隊が迂回突破してレビル本陣落とすつもりだったからな

65: 2020/04/11 02:37:34 No.678577150 ▼このレスに返信

お禿げが切り開いたリアル路線
当然現実との齟齬に悩んだはず

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 10:26:46 ID：c8ad026b8 ★コメ返信★

そもそもあの手の戦闘で超音速を維持すること自体があり得ないから
最高速度がマッハ３でも、戦闘時にそこまで出すかと言ったらNOだよ。
大口径の機銃でガンダム攻撃してる時点でマッハなんて出てない。
ラプターですら超音速巡航できるが戦闘時にはそこまで加速しない。
超音速巡航したら発射した機銃の弾丸を追い抜いちゃうからな。
というか実話で自分の撃った弾丸に当たって自己撃墜した事故がある。
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 11:41:01 ID：0a3cc517d ★コメ返信★

モータースポーツだって常に全開走行してるわけじゃないしな
3. 名前:７４３投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 12:35:53 ID：dfe430b3b ★コメ返信★

投網でも張っとけば？(適当)
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 12:45:01 ID：22dd2f3ee ★コメ返信★

第二次世界大戦のころの対空砲とかが、1,000発撃って1機撃墜できれば
超ラッキーって確率なんだから、普通は当たらないよね。
ミノフスキー粒子でジャミングされつつも、数十km範囲ならレーダーが効く
とかじゃないと、お互い戦争にならない。

反応:※7
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 12:52:40 ID：94a61b14b ★コメ返信★

普通は速くて小さいほうが強いわな。
MS大きすぎ

反応:※18
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 12:55:50 ID：66dac2091 ★コメ返信★

マッハ３ってのは、ＡＢｍ吹かした最大巡航速度だろ。
爆撃しようとか、空戦やろうとか、まして対地攻撃で
そんなに出したら空中分解するわ。
対してＭＳ側は光学照準器しかないわけだが、もう一つ
「赤外線センサー」ってのがあるわな？
箕粉は赤外線に干渉しない（するなら、地球圏全域温度下がってる）から、
航空機のエンジンが出す熱の軌跡を追尾すりゃ、がんたんぐでも落とせる！
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 13:05:43 ID：c8ad026b8 ★コメ返信★

米4
赤外線追尾やFCSがない時代と一緒にされても困るぜよ。
ガンダムの戦争はモデル的にベトナム戦争だし、そのころにはパッシブ型の
追尾装置くらいある。考証的には赤外線追尾装置くらいあってもええやろ。

反応:※8
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 13:19:51 ID：523c27a7a ★コメ返信★

>>7
それ以上はいけない

そう言えば赤外線系の装備ってガンダム世界だとあんまり言及されてないよね

反応:※19
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 13:33:58 ID：2803a8929 ★コメ返信★

FCSの進歩で直線軌道がメインになりがちで軌道予測しやすい戦闘機はもしかしたらただの的なのかまもしれない。

コアブースターは中の人の力ってことで…
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 13:55:35 ID：d2c285c13 ★コメ返信★

レーダーなしでMSで落とせないようなスピードで飛んでたら、戦闘機の方も敵機を捕捉できないだろ
11. 名前:通りすがりの三等兵投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 13:56:07 ID：743a35408 ★コメ返信★

皆が思うほど実はMSはでかくない(1stMSが重いのは認める)
各スペック
　ガンダム頭頂高:18m 重量:43.4t(本体) 60.0t(全備)
　F15戦闘機全長:19.43m 全幅:13.05m 重量:12.973t(乾燥) 30.845t(最大離陸)
　90式戦車全長:9.80m 車体長:7.55m 全幅:3.04m 重量:50.2t
サイズだけなら米軍正規空母に70機は搭載できる、着座姿勢なら強襲揚陸艦にも(天井の高さは必要だが)戦車と同数程度搭載可能なサイズです

ですので、お台場ガンダムの横にF15を直立させればガンダムより大きく、実は戦闘機ってこんなに大きい物だったのだと吃驚されのでは無いかと思います
現用戦闘機の大きさの戦車が直立して戦車砲を連射← しながら前線を走り回ってると想定していただければ良いかと…(無理ｗ)
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 15:36:21 ID：506ca9f52 ★コメ返信★

逆にマッハ3で移動しつつ敵味方見分けながらぶつからないように攻撃したりビームや艦砲を全方位視認しつつ避けたりなんかできるとでも？
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 15:40:20 ID：6a3c4175b ★コメ返信★

攻撃するにしてもミノ粉で追尾装置ほぼ死んでるようなもんだから機銃とロケランを手動照準で当てるしかない
それやるにはマッハの速度じゃまず無理で限界まで速度落とした上でかなりの近距離で撃つしかない
なのでアムロが飛んでサーベルで斬るなんてことも可能だった

反応:※14
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 17:14:35 ID：d2c285c13 ★コメ返信★

※13
それどころか、下手すりゃ高度落とし過ぎて地面に激突しかねないよな
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 17:23:02 ID：22cb0b11a ★コメ返信★

戦闘機でよくね？からの超能力展開で
これロボアニメじゃなくてもよくね？になったのが
初代だし多少はね
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 17:50:07 ID：dcdf86fda ★コメ返信★

>Mh3は最高速でその速度で対地攻撃できるわけじゃないはずだし…

特攻すればいいじゃんw
と、いう発想で生まれたのがファトゥム01です
つおい
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 19:05:53 ID：72cd813e5 ★コメ返信★

Gファイターが戦果上げてるのはセイラさんの性格のせいなんじゃないかなって
あの人恐怖心あるんだろうか
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 20:06:41 ID：4b0a85fb1 ★コメ返信★

※5
フライマンタ全長17mやで？
大して変わらんわ
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/11(Sat) 21:06:48 ID：0a3cc517d ★コメ返信★

※8
どの機体か忘れたけど赤外線誘導ミサイルとかあったはず
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/12(Sun) 09:22:52 ID：a747e1d01 ★コメ返信★

そもそもかなりのMSや航空機がミサイル＝誘導弾装備してるわけで、その辺大多数は赤外線誘導じゃないの？
レーザー誘導は単座機では運用が難しいし、画像誘導は数をそろえるにゃコストがネックになりそう
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/04/22(Wed) 20:59:17 ID：03e637233 ★コメ返信★

こういう話になると何で20世紀の技術レベルで語るやつしか出てこないんだろうな。

MSは亜光速のメガ粒子砲すら弾道予測して余裕で躱せるからな
ザクですら（宇宙で）超音速のミサイルを撃ち落とせるし
マッハで飛ぶ航空機ぐらい余裕だろ
22. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/29(Mon) 23:27:45 ID：6585b03f4 ★コメ返信★

未来技術を魔法みたいに盲信して思考停止するより話してて楽しいからじゃないかな
携帯通信端末も無ければハゲすら治ってない時点の技術にワイは希望持てない
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