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1: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:01:54

ガンダムの量産型ってよくコストで不採用になったってとかいわれるけど作る前に気付くよね？
225: 名無し 2020/09/16 21:51:42
>1
予算不足・ペーパープラン・登録抹消はガンダムの世界では週に一度ある
226: 名無し 2020/09/16 21:52:27
>225
みんなノリと勢いでＭＳ作ってるんだな
4: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:03:16
作りたいやん
8: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:04:20
>4
不採用になるのわかってて予算せびってるよね？？
6: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:03:53
競合機と比較してコスト面で難ありとされ不採用とか現実でもママある話ではある
9: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:05:19
コストは良くてもスペックで不採用も多いからねぇ
10: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:05:46
ガンダムと名のつくロボット作って儲けたい
でもそんなもん存在してなかった正史との乖離はよろしくない
作ったけどお蔵入りという事にしよう!
11: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:06:19

ガンダムを量産しました
22: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:14:53
>11
GUNDAM Massproductきたな……
33: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:22:25
ペーパープランなのか実機まで作ってコンペしたのか設定がコロコロ変わる…
35: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:23:50
>33
ゲームや漫画で出したくなったらペーパープランから実機があった設定に格上げされる仕組みです
75: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:37:26
試作機より強い量産型ってガンダム世界で一度でも作られたことあるの？
80: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:38:34
>75
RX-78よりつよいジムスナイパー2
84: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:38:57
>75
キュベレイとか？
85: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:39:48
>75
量産型キュベレイはオリジナルより火力高いし同等のパイロットが乗ってれば多分
96: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:44:00
>75
種ならフォビドゥンヴォーテクスとか
97: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:44:27
>75
よく言われるけど仕様が変わった時点で試作からやり直しだから
いわゆるガンダムを元にジムをぶっつけ本番で作ってるわけじゃないのだ…
94: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:42:48
スレ画は何がしたいのかよくわからん
コストダウンにしても削っちゃいけないところあるだろ！
98: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:44:37
>94
プロトタイプZガンダムの量産型だから仕方ない
なら百式の量産型でいいだろと没ったオチだし
103: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:47:03

量産型Ｚって普通にＺガンダムの量産機だと思ってたが
115: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:51:10

>103
グレートメカニックはにわか丸出しで記事書くので有名
多分wikiとMS大全集ちょっと読んだくらいで記事書いてる
118: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:53:34
>115
問題はいずれそっちの方が正式設定になることもあるんだよな…
119: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:54:21
>118
グレメカのデタラメ記事が公式になったことは一度もないぞ
121: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:54:32
>115
これってプロトＺガンダムの量産機になるのか？
プロトＺガンダムの発展系が（Ｚガンダムと）量産型Ｚガンダムに見えるけど
109: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:48:43
ガンダムの量産型だろうとガンダム顔にしないなら
量産型Ｚジムとか量産型ＺＺジムとか名乗りなさいよとクソ面倒くさいことを思ってしまう時もある
111: 名無し 2020/09/16 20:49:38
採用されなかった量産型〇〇は実質「制式名称なし」みたいなものだからなぁ
146: 名無し 2020/09/16 21:08:46
実際量産されたらそいつが正式な機体になるから
量産型〇〇なんて言い方は逆にされなくなるからな普通は
148: 名無し 2020/09/16 21:10:45
>146
なんか気持ち悪さがあるよね量産型〇〇って呼び方
F91なんかも量産型F91じゃなくて別の名称が欲しい
リグF91とか
150: 名無し 2020/09/16 21:12:11
>146
でも割と多いよね正式採用された量産型◯◯
201: 名無し 2020/09/16 21:39:51
結局量産されなかった量産型は失敗作なんだな当然だけど
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  1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 08:04:18 ID：dd40cc838            ★コメ返信★

    計画ってのが一定じゃないから予算は途中で増えるんだよなぁ

  2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 08:19:22 ID：4de18b86d            ★コメ返信★

    量産されてない量産型というギャグ

    反応:※18
  3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 08:28:57 ID：07e8498fe            ★コメ返信★

    実際に作ってみたら見積り大幅オーバーなんて当たり前にある

  4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 08:40:24 ID：4de18b86d            ★コメ返信★

    宇宙世紀では量産予定型とか量産前提型とか量産希望型とかを省略して量産型と呼ぶんだろう

  5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 08:42:18 ID：4de18b86d            ★コメ返信★

    量産未定型と量産中止型忘れるな

  6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 09:57:24 ID：1affe0649            ★コメ返信★

    まあ、中には作る前に気づけみたいな奴もあるけど、作らないとわからないことも多い。
    そのための試作機なんだが…あれ？

  7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 10:02:32 ID：5b04363e9            ★コメ返信★

    宇宙世紀は製造に関しては3Dプリンターとか工場の自動化がアホみたいに進み過ぎて、仕様さえ整っていれば思いついたのをパッと作る事ができるのかもしれん。
    で、出来上がったのみて「これ駄目だ。コストも思ったよりかかるし・・・」
    って贅沢な事しているのかも

  8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 10:10:03 ID：ff92e86b5            ★コメ返信★

    スパロボのグルンガスト弐式とかは量産試作機とか表現してたな確か

  9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 10:54:40 ID：4de18b86d            ★コメ返信★

    雑誌の創廃刊準備号思い出した
    コミックジャパンだったっけ

  10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 11:26:48 ID：016bb36be            ★コメ返信★

    アメリカ軍の頓挫した兵器開発計画の数々を見ると
    やってる事はあまり変わらない気がしてくるぞ…

    反応:※12
  11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 11:58:52 ID：6f5a1424a            ★コメ返信★

    ゼータプラス「まさか採用されるとは思ってなかった・・・」

  12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 12:12:18 ID：5fd94477c            ★コメ返信★

    ※10
    これな。後戦中のイギリス、ドイツも入れるとガンダム世界の方がマトモな気さえしてくる

  13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 13:23:56 ID：dfffa6f8d            ★コメ返信★

    MSが誕生してからたったの10年という時期やぞ
    あれこれ作って試行錯誤するんは当たり前や

  14. 14. 名前:雑魚１ 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 15:05:57 ID：a38ad4bfb            ★コメ返信★

    予算申請する時は、低く言う物だ。
    社会人になったら必要な知識だから、覚えておけ。

  15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 16:22:34 ID：d52e56bc9            ★コメ返信★

    ここあれにしてこうしたら安くなるやろ→そこ変えたらあかんわ→うーん思ったより安くならんぞはあるぞ

  16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 18:30:27 ID：dfffa6f8d            ★コメ返信★

    商品開発やったことないのかね？
    予算〇〇以内で作っていざ作ったら予算オーバー、なんて茶飯事やぞ

  17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 18:32:47 ID：2c3dd1367            ★コメ返信★

    ※14※15
    それってドコの国の東京オリンピック？

  18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 18:59:32 ID：0e9bf9779            ★コメ返信★

    ※2
    島風「一隻しか建造されなくたって！」
    大淀「量産計画があれば立派な量産型なんです！」
    疾風「試作機の段階で大量に作ってしまって何かスマン」

  19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/17(Thu) 21:00:45 ID：dfffa6f8d            ★コメ返信★

    コンセプトカーをそのまま量産したいすゞピアッツァやアウディTT、最低限作ればいいのに馬鹿みたいに生産したルノー5ターボなんて例もあるからなぁ

  20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/25(Fri) 01:21:45 ID：0546bf4b4            ★コメ返信★

    ※10　※12
    確かにそれらは数々の失敗した兵器を生み出してるけど、それは実際の戦場で必要とされたものを、戦略や戦術を考慮した合理的な理由から作られたが、
    技術的な壁や戦局の変化、競合兵器との競争などで失敗したのがほとんどじゃん
    あの有名なパンジャンドラムでさえ、ドイツの強固な沿岸陣地を突破して味方の損害を少しでも減らすためってちゃんとした理由から試作されてるし。

    ガンダム世界は別に必要でもなさそうなMSを脈絡もなく作って当然の如くボツになってる印象しかないんだよなぁ

    反応:※21
  21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/27(Sun) 00:55:44 ID：8d6dab73f            ★コメ返信★

    陸自のAH-64Dみたいに途中で調達打ちきってコスト高騰
    F-111みたいにあれこれ要望を入れてるうちに機体がばかでかくなって高騰、別用途に転用
    ※20
    そうかぁ？チョビ髭閣下のポルシェ贔屓でドイツは変なものを作りすぎたと思うけど？Pティーガーとか技術デモンストレーターを無理に量産して後で重自走砲オリファントに改造したり合理的とはいい難い。
    ちなみに「無理に全部載せ」「新型パワーソースの実験」という上記の失敗を詰め込まれたのがディスティニーガンダムだと思うとシンが気の毒でたまらない。タコザクや試作大型ビームライフル用ジムスナイパーみたいにガンダム世界においても要素技術は枯れたテストベット機を使ってやってる。言うほど脈絡の無いものは多くない。
    この量産型Zって高コストなZフレームのまま安く出来なかったってやつだな。結局メタス寄りのZ2の方がコストパフォーマンスが良くてリゼルに繋がったとか。
    見積りの方法が第一世代MSとだいぶ違ったのかな？

  22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/09/27(Sun) 11:36:17 ID：e659eb636            ★コメ返信★

    現場でその都度勘定とかしねーわ普通
    やりきって提出したら事務方から苦情がくる奴

  23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2020/10/03(Sat) 20:02:27 ID：52f32c36c            ★コメ返信★

    F91はゲームとかでプレイヤーへの識別のために量産型とか付けてるだけで
    正式採用されて配備されてる方もF91じゃないの？
    クロスボーンだと、量産型なんて呼ばれてなくてF91だったと思うが
    どうしても分けて表記するならシーブックが乗った方が「F91（試験機）」
    配備されてる方が「F91」もしくは「F91（制式機）」が適当な気がする

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    実在した戦闘機だと、元になった機体が優秀だったから、やたら沢山派生機がありすぎてよくわからん事になっている零戦がいるな。

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    Z計画自体迷走してた感があるから作る側も答えが分からなくて暴走してたんじゃないだろか

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