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    1: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:08:42▼このレスに返信

    F91で小さくなる理由もわからんでもない
    3: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:11:02▼このレスに返信
    小型にしたらプラモデル作るのに苦労する
    4: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:12:40▼このレスに返信
    F91の大きさ商品展開には半端な大きさ過ぎてアナザー含めてだんだん元に戻したけどな
    5: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:13:35▼このレスに返信
    ちょっとかがめば家に隠れられるって時点でぶっちゃけもうちょい大きくてもいいと思う
    11: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:17:30▼このレスに返信
    サイズ小さくなって強くなりました!は巨大ロボットモノ的に唆られる要素ないよな…
    12: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:19:25▼このレスに返信
    プラモに関しては別に1/144だの1/100だのに縛られなければ良いだけではなかろうか
    14: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:19:58▼このレスに返信
    >12
    それやっちゃうと同じ縮尺で並べる楽しみが無い
    20: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:23:24▼このレスに返信
    >14
    最初のガンダムがでかすぎたから1/144にしちゃった訳で
    最初から小さけりゃ大きい縮尺で揃えられるよ
    24: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:26:35▼このレスに返信
    144ならNゲージのストラクチャ使えるので都合がいいのでは?
    27: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:28:03▼このレスに返信
    >24
    つうか1/144はまさにNゲージ参考にした縮尺
    28: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:28:24▼このレスに返信
    >27
    へー
    31: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:29:33▼このレスに返信
    クローバーって鉄道模型も作ってたの?
    32: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:30:28▼このレスに返信
    1/144にしたのクローバーじゃねぇよ!
    33: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:32:17▼このレスに返信
    >32
    じゃあガンダムがこのサイズな理由ってなんだろ
    36: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:35:54▼このレスに返信
    >33
    電車や戦闘機と大きさ近ければ玩具展開やりやすいだろ
    49: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:41:41▼このレスに返信
    ちなみに何で144って数値だったの?
    56: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:47:21▼このレスに返信
    >49
    1フィートを1/12インチに縮小するスケール
    要は12で2回割る
    16: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:21:01▼このレスに返信
    戦車や飛行機みたいな演出をすると18mはデカすぎるけど
    ロボット兵器としてみるとある程度高い建物から頭のぞかせる演出が必要ってのもわかるんだよな
    19: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:23:08▼このレスに返信
    人の10倍ちょっとの高さって聞くとそんな高く感じないかな
    21: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:24:32▼このレスに返信
    デカすぎも何もむしろ当時のロボットアニメ基準じゃちいさい
    26: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:27:25▼このレスに返信
    ガンダム放送当時もガンダムは電車一両分ぐらいの大きさ有るよって児童誌に書いてた
    34: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:33:28▼このレスに返信
    俺はむしろスレ画みてガンダムちっちゃとなった
    58: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:48:00▼このレスに返信
    >34
    数値だけ見ると思ったよりちっちゃいなってなるよね
    それでもこんなデカいの近くで見るだけでも威圧感あるのにそれが動くってなると怖いしかない
    43: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:38:00▼このレスに返信
    ビグザムが牛久大仏の半分くらいしかないのがショックだった
    48: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:41:20▼このレスに返信
    >43
    牛久大仏とダイターン3がだいたい同じ高さだからしゃーなし
    2: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:09:35▼このレスに返信
    大仏でけー
    103: 名無し 2021/10/31 10:20:16▼このレスに返信
    >2
    あいつ立ったらもっとデカいからな…
    107: 名無し 2021/10/31 10:22:05▼このレスに返信
    >2
    大仏が立ったらマジンガーサイズかな?
    102: 名無し 2021/10/31 10:17:41▼このレスに返信
    アニメ的には人間の10倍ってでかさがあらゆる意味でわかりやすくていい
    18: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:21:44▼このレスに返信
    このサイズの腹に格納されるコアファイターがすげえことになる

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 20:07:15 ID:159771bb0            ★コメ返信★

        人間収めるコクピットのスペース確保するにはそれなりの大きさ要るだろうし、15mより下は無理があるんでない?

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 20:13:53 ID:319b5e720            ★コメ返信★

        小さいとなんか嫌なんだよな…何だかわからないけど

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 20:19:10 ID:457c87894            ★コメ返信★

        たまたま出来上がった大きさを既存の規格で見たら大体1/144だったからそれで行っただけだぞ

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 20:48:39 ID:4337f1950            ★コメ返信★

        実際、現用兵器の模型と並べると、デカってなる。

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 21:05:53 ID:448c8d627            ★コメ返信★

        当初の予定通りパワードスーツだったら、手足や頭を斬り合う乱打戦が出来なかったからこれで良かったのかも

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 21:25:34 ID:56ded5eda            ★コメ返信★

        >>103
        牛久の大仏は最初から立ってる

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 21:25:49 ID:463ddccd0            ★コメ返信★

        元々の発端であるタカラとスタジオぬえがやろうとしてたのは
        今のボトムズくらいのサイズ感でパイロット人形+登場ロボ玩具だった訳だしな
        結局いろんな回り道を経て今の形になった訳だ

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 21:27:47 ID:cee98da3f            ★コメ返信★

        スポンサーに企画が通りやすくするためには大ヒットした「マジンガーZ」と同じ高さに設定してアピールする必要があった

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 21:32:03 ID:56ded5eda            ★コメ返信★

        ※4
        同じ1/144のプラモのザクタンクと食玩の戦車(ワールドタンクミュージアム)並べるとMSデカすぎってなるよね。でもザクタンクよりティーガーⅠのが重いんだぜ。

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 21:33:30 ID:56ded5eda            ★コメ返信★

        人間の約10倍ってサイズはわかりやすくていいと思う。

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 22:20:33 ID:1d74fdf53            ★コメ返信★

        現代の戦闘機が18m前後で同じ大きさだから、まあこんなもんと思わなくもない
        コアファイターが全長の約半分でゼロ戦ぐらいのサイズだし

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 22:44:50 ID:fa2d590f0            ★コメ返信★

        >記事27
        大元まで辿れば「メアリー王妃のドールハウス」(1924)が1フィートを1インチに縮小した1/12だった>それに倣って12進法基準の1/72とか1/144とかがスケールモデルの標準になった、って流れじゃ無いかな…

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 23:08:16 ID:11c4f94e1            ★コメ返信★

        当時の巨大ロボヒーローの基準がマジンガーZ(同じく18m)系統だからな
        オーバーにパイロットを包み込まない方が戦闘機みたいでカッコいいってなるからその設定が使えるサイズで、上でも言われてるように大人の約10倍で大きさが想像しやすくなる
        当時は完全に子供に向けたアニメだからな

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 23:35:59 ID:d39a6793b            ★コメ返信★

        ※11
        F-35って15mしかねえんだな。丁度F91くらいか

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/31(Sun) 23:37:35 ID:98331b2ec            ★コメ返信★

        まあ正直パワードスーツ系のが、よりリアルではあるし小回りの利きにくい戦車や宇宙戦闘機に勝てるってのもイメージしやすいけど
        でかい方が強そうって観点もあるから難しい所だな

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 00:36:55 ID:fb6a8ebb2            ★コメ返信★

        ※9
        そうそう。
        ガンダムじゃないけど、1/72の境界戦機のケンブって、1/48の10式戦車よりもデカい。
        10m級でもロボットは大きすぎる印象がある。

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 00:41:02 ID:1dcbdb4aa            ★コメ返信★

        戦闘機の大きさが同程度定期。

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 00:42:23 ID:fb6a8ebb2            ★コメ返信★

        ※11 ※14
        1/144ガンダムをカトキ立ちで1/144のF-35と並べてみ?
        MSって、身長だけでなくて、フットプリントも飛行機の全長なみにあるぞ。
        つまり、とてもデカい。

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 00:46:46 ID:fb6a8ebb2            ★コメ返信★

        カトキ立ちさせた1/144のガンダムと1/144のF-35を並べてみ?
        MSって、身長だけでなく、フットプリントも戦闘機の全長なみにあるぞ。
        つまり、とでもデカい。

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 01:01:47 ID:359b41a3a            ★コメ返信★

        エンジンの概念の進化と、構造材および装甲の進化による。機体が小さければ銃砲などは小口径しか扱えなくなるからね。

        バトオペと違ってどこでも当たればHPが減る訳ではなく、兵器が機能を失わなければ見た目オンボロでも動くし、新品でもエンジンがダメならピクともしない。

        サイズが大きければそれだけ機能の保護に装甲や構造を使えるので「大きい=リアルじゃない」は何も考えてないアホかただのアンチ

        ガンダムが変なのは18mの巨大な金属塊が重量30トンそこらだと言う所

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 01:40:59 ID:fb6a8ebb2            ★コメ返信★

        MSは、たとえば日本の街中で運用するには、陸戦兵器として大きすぎるよね。
        たぶん片側二車線道路でも狭すぎると思う
        MSを戦車代替の兵器として考えると、大きすぎるよ
        特に一年戦争でジオンが地球に侵攻したあたりは、MSは空を飛べない時代なので、航空機代替の兵器とは考えられないし
        じゃぁ、戦車のマゼラアタックはどうなんだ、ってなると、やっぱり大きすぎて市街戦では使えそうにないし……

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 01:57:42 ID:cf9f99c1f            ★コメ返信★

        アニメ見てりゃガンダムのサイズってそんなに重要じゃねぇってなる
        基本は人類が宇宙に出られるようになった時代の話だし現代の戸建てに隠れて戦闘とかは求めてないよ俺は

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 05:59:50 ID:3675058da            ★コメ返信★

        ベストメカコレクションサイズの箱に入る様に設計
        その後設定全長(身長)が18m位となっていたので測ってみると145.4…となったので
        1/144にしようと言ったのが始まり

      24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 07:43:21 ID:b097aebaa            ★コメ返信★

        まあ初のリアルロボット作品ということで、サイズ的にスーパーロボット作品の名残があるのは仕方ない
        後続の作品は、コンバットアーマーといいATといいレイバーといい、皆それより小さくなってるし

      25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 07:58:32 ID:94171b60a            ★コメ返信★

        初代おっちゃんとザクが300円だった頃1/144の戦闘機が200円だった

      26. 26. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 09:55:03 ID:b76e62948            ★コメ返信★

        サイコガンダム「うっす」
        αアジール「うっす」
        ネオジオング「うっす」

      27. 27. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 10:04:37 ID:453546a1e            ★コメ返信★

        ※19
        初速と弾頭の重さによるんだから、別に口径が小さくたって問題ない。
        そもそも物理法則の観点から、デカい人型なんてのはファンタジーの産物でしかない。
        物理法則無視できるなら人型の必要も大きい必要もないし。

      28. 28. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/01(Mon) 10:47:03 ID:4a5c4af3a            ★コメ返信★

        出資側にしてみれば、ロボアニメは玩具売るためのCMだから
        で、スポンサー様に「合体ロボにして」と言われれば、
        中のコアファイターやらそれに乗せる人のサイズから逆算して、ああなる他ない

      29. 29. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/03(Wed) 06:16:57 ID:7a2492cda            ★コメ返信★

        そもそもMSの主軸は宇宙だったし、18mって結構絶妙な数値だよ

      30. 30. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/12/19(Sun) 04:27:15 ID:a06aa99d2            ★コメ返信★

        当初は宇宙の戦士みたく2.7mのパワードスーツだったが
        それだとコロニー内の戦闘がまともな絵にならないとか
        そんな判断で18mになったんじゃなかったっけ。
        富野の小説だと「18mは核融合炉が搭載できるギリギリのサイズである」
        とか書かれてた覚えがあるな。

      31. 31. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/12(Sat) 21:42:01 ID:114064451            ★コメ返信★

        >記事5
        そんなノリで時代とともに巨大化し続けたのがゴジラなんや

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