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【ガンダム】ぶっちゃけビグロを量産してればジオンは勝てたのでは?

1: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:17:30▼このレスに返信

こいつ量産してればジオン勝ったのでは?
2: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:18:27▼このレスに返信
したけど遅くて負けたし
3: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:19:03▼このレスに返信
MSいらねえんじゃねえかな…ってなるやつ
4: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:19:16▼このレスに返信
そこそこ腕あるパイロット乗せないとコスパ悪いでしょ
36: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:43:13▼このレスに返信
MA乗りってMS乗りより適正あるやつが少なそう
スレ画はアムロが失神する加速に耐えなきゃいけないし
9: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:22:47▼このレスに返信
スレ画もすごいけど乗ってるトクワンがまず操縦に耐えられる逸材って感じだっけ
39: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:44:22▼このレスに返信
トクワンは強かったけどG耐性がかなり人間やめてるっぽいから
やっぱり兵器としてはちょっとつらい
41: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:45:17▼このレスに返信
>39
ゲッター乗りとかトールギス乗りみたいなやつだったのか彼は
44: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:46:36▼このレスに返信
>41
そういやビルドファイターズのトールギス乗りはごついおっちゃんだったな…
40: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:45:10▼このレスに返信
後半のジオンはそもそも熟練パイロットがいない印象がある
ゲルググは新人ばっかり乗ってた話とかあったよね
47: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:47:55▼このレスに返信
>40
ベテランは今更の機種転換を嫌がって学徒動員兵ばっか乗せられたって話だな
まぁ本当のエースはきっちりゲルググ乗ってるみたいだけど
13: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:24:17▼このレスに返信
普通のパイロットでも耐えられる程度のスピードで移動してたらただのデカい的だもんな
6: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:21:20▼このレスに返信
一般兵がコイツで3機くらいのジムを屠れるかと言うと怪しいがジム2機よりは高そうなのでやっぱりコスパは良くない
12: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:23:37▼このレスに返信
なんで後継機が存在しないのかわからないぐらいの名機
ヴァルヴァロはハンドメイドみたいなもんだし
15: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:24:23▼このレスに返信
>12
ギャプランとかの可変機がこれみたいなところあるでしょ
37: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:44:01▼このレスに返信
>12
一応ガザDのMA形態にはビグロの戦闘力の再現が目標とされていて
運動性と火力に関してはしっかりクリアしてるって設定があるのよ
17: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:25:00▼このレスに返信
ジムコマンドでも倒せるじゃんスレ画
20: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:26:04▼このレスに返信
>17
戦艦とかには滅法強いけれどMSに強いかって言ったらそうでもなさそうだよね
25: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:31:24▼このレスに返信
>20
ジム・コマンドのビームガンでも落ちるから複数機で弾幕張られたら割りと簡単にやられそう
21: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:26:46▼このレスに返信
まぁ連邦ならともかくあらかたMSに習熟しちゃったジオンではこれを乗りこなすのは辛いかな
27: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:33:52▼このレスに返信
装甲がどうもダメすぎるっぽいんだよな
その上パイロットの適正必要なレベルのピーキーさとかいかにも負けたてる時の兵器って感じ
33: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:38:57▼このレスに返信
ギレンの野望だとめっちゃ強いのに…
38: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:44:14▼このレスに返信
MSに比べると汎用性がないのが普及しきれない原因なんだろうか
42: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:45:47▼このレスに返信
>38
アステロイドとかデブリ帯とかで戦闘するの辛そうだし要塞戦なんてもっと無理だろうしなぁ
48: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:47:57▼このレスに返信
あの世界はMA乗ったらほぼ確実に撃墜されるから乗りたがる人も少なそう
49: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:49:30▼このレスに返信
>48
どうしたって最優先攻撃目標になるもんな
ほっといたら被害がハンパないので
55: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:52:06▼このレスに返信
今のところMAの被撃墜率ってほぼ100%じゃない?
どれだけ強くて戦果上げられても乗りたくはないだろう
58: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:53:32▼このレスに返信
>55
まあ数少ないしメタ的なこと言うとほぼ主人公にぶつけられるからな…
28: 名無し 2022/02/24 22:35:26▼このレスに返信
ビグロの集団が調子に乗ってるところにコアブースターの集団が来るんだよね
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  1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 18:22:21 ID:dfd8aad84            ★コメ返信★

    MSで連邦を圧倒したジオンに宇宙戦闘機の発展型みたいな機体が必要とか皮肉が過ぎる

  2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 18:51:19 ID:8c0126b92            ★コメ返信★

    ビグロは攻撃を避けるって機能が無い(直線番町)からボールとジムの飽和攻撃で速攻で殲滅されそうだからな・・・
    スピードを落としたらデカイ的だしw

  3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 19:00:02 ID:6ce6bf5e9            ★コメ返信★

    >記事36
    あれは高速で動いてるビグロに引っかけられたことで、その分のGがガンダムに一気にかかったためで、ビグロのパイロットはその前に徐々に加速してれば問題ない。
    しかし、こいつ旋回とか大変だろうな・・・

    てか、ほぼ一方通行の欠陥兵器だろ、これ。

  4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 19:21:43 ID:c60257dfb            ★コメ返信★

    >記事28
    MSが不要に見える絵面よ…

  5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 19:31:18 ID:19dc905f5            ★コメ返信★

    ビグロ一機でザク何機作れるかって話よ。

  6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 19:34:51 ID:cc5a30b46            ★コメ返信★

    数が足りないからってオッゴを量産した国だぞ

  7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 19:40:57 ID:03dd94e8b            ★コメ返信★

    ※2
    スピード速いっていっても小回り効かないから予測射撃でガンガン当たるだろうな

  8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 21:07:53 ID:6ce6bf5e9            ★コメ返信★

    AMBACでも高速で動いてるものの方向転換しようとしたら、それなりの質量のものを振り回さんとあかんだろうし、ビグロの腕では、無理ゲー過ぎる

  9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 21:15:24 ID:7755bff4c            ★コメ返信★

    >記事27
    そりゃまぁスピードで避ける仕様なんだから装甲なんて重りは極力薄くしてますとも

  10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 21:29:23 ID:c03ba8c85            ★コメ返信★

    ザクに対してドムと互角以上のジムをお出ししてきた連邦相手、しかも既存兵器(航宙機)により近い分野で勝負してもなぁ

    強化版コアブや簡易版重装FA7号機みたいなのが量産されて真っ向から潰されるだけでは

  11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 23:08:19 ID:7755bff4c            ★コメ返信★

    ※3
    直前番長なのは別に欠陥じゃない
    問題なのは機体コンセプトと搭載武装がいまいちマッチしてない事

  12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 23:17:22 ID:6ce6bf5e9            ★コメ返信★

    宇宙、閃光の果てに・・・のコミカライズifルートでガンダム4、5号機の回りぐるぐる回るのは、それ無理だろ!ってツッコミたい。

  13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 23:36:09 ID:dfd8aad84            ★コメ返信★

    ※11
    一撃離脱が基本なんだから、機種のメガ粒子砲とミサイルランチャーで十分でしょ

  14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/26(Sat) 23:52:36 ID:ce963be3a            ★コメ返信★

    旋回半径が大きいからMSの直掩がないと集団戦では長く生き残れないと思う

  15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 01:50:17 ID:86e62284f            ★コメ返信★

    ※13
    ミサイルランチャーは正面用より旋回時用に側面に付けたいし一撃離脱ならクローよりそれこそナタや鎌付けた方がいい
    贅沢言えば更に後方にばら撒く機雷とかがあると良し

  16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 04:33:41 ID:5ab476a4e            ★コメ返信★

    速過ぎるとヅダみたいには追いかけて貰えないもんな…

  17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 07:32:00 ID:bc1cec718            ★コメ返信★

    ジムが(リック)ドムが互角以上という風潮はやはり違和感があるなあ。
    連邦が物量でジオンを圧倒したという設定がある以上、ジムはグフ以上ドム以下の性能と考えるのが無難な気がする。
    ジムは好きだけど、ドムと対等に戦えるのは少数生産のカスタム系やコマンド系くらいでは?

  18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 08:28:53 ID:5ab476a4e            ★コメ返信★

    ※17
    でもコマンドなんかになるとゲルググと互角になっちゃうしなあ

  19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 09:53:38 ID:d4afa65f4            ★コメ返信★

    スケベ心だして降下しちゃったのがね
    延々と隕石うちこんどけばよかった

  20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 10:05:45 ID:75915fc45            ★コメ返信★

    ※15
    一撃離脱機がミサイル撃てる間合いで旋回しちゃ駄目でしょ
    逆に攻撃を食らうよ

  21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 11:42:31 ID:c980c46f7            ★コメ返信★

    ※12
    そもそも死んだキャラのif話なので、夏元がサービスでインチキ主役補正でビグロを補足出来たんですよ。5号機パイロットの夢物語だし。
    頼むから、ネオ・ジオンより先にネオ・デラーズ・フリート結成は馬鹿げた話。

  22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 11:46:57 ID:c980c46f7            ★コメ返信★

    ※10
    シン・マツナガの漫画だと、スゲー態度の悪い連邦のネームドがわんさか登場(笑)!
    リド・ヴォルフレベルがゴロゴロいたの?
    アノ漫画、アンチ連邦作るのに最適な漫画。
    マツナガイェーガーの活躍が読める貴重な漫画。

  23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 13:34:08 ID:90a5b829a            ★コメ返信★

    たまに思うんだが、AMBAC?で機体方向の変更だけでなく進行方向のベクトルまで制御できるみたいな前提のレス有るように見えるんだけど・・・
    ビグロがコマ割りが苦手の理由に全然なって無いような気がする。実際大元のガンダムセンチュリーの該当記事では、AMBACには一対のバラストがあればいいので・・・ってあっただろ?

  24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 14:02:58 ID:6e71191d3            ★コメ返信★

    ※17
    歩留まりがもうダメだったのでは?戦後に連邦でリックドム整備したらビックリ性能という四式戦状態とか。小説版のシャアドムと僚機は「本来の性能」が出てる機体。
    一撃離脱に向いたビグロはベテランに渡すと逆に撃墜されやすかったとか。AMBACに頼るために速度を落とすと袋叩きに遭う。資源の節約と加速性能のデチューンで言えばオッゴは妥当な機体だと言える。

  25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 14:14:00 ID:90a5b829a            ★コメ返信★

    ※17
    数で圧倒した側が性能で下回る必要はないと思うよ。モデルとなったWWⅡでもドイツ、日本の兵器が連合軍を上回ってる「分野もある」程度だし。

  26. 26. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 15:37:41 ID:f3dc26eb2            ★コメ返信★

    ※20
    牽制・弾幕で比較的安全確保用なんだから当てる距離で旋回する用なんて言ってないよ
    なんなら敵の横すり抜ける時に撃ってもいいし

  27. 27. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 18:14:29 ID:75915fc45            ★コメ返信★

    ※26
    ビグロマイヤーでいいじゃん

  28. 28. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 19:32:48 ID:5ab476a4e            ★コメ返信★

    ※23
    ビグロは漫画家なんか

  29. 29. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 21:05:11 ID:3de69a4d2            ★コメ返信★

    ※27
    ビグロの支援機じゃん

  30. 30. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/27(Sun) 21:41:36 ID:75915fc45            ★コメ返信★

    ※29
    支援機として開発されたけど、格闘戦ができない以外はビグロと同じように運用できる。
    腕のビーム砲のおかげでビグロよりも射角は広い。

  31. 31. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/28(Mon) 07:47:27 ID:7dbb39aab            ★コメ返信★

    よし、ビグラング量産して、オッゴを前線に投げまくろう!

  32. 32. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/01(Tue) 19:13:22 ID:0d6dfab77            ★コメ返信★

    ミノフスキー粒子の事失念していないか?
    レーダーもセンサーも効かない中で高速移動とか自殺行為すぎる。

  33. 33. 名前:MilitaryGirl 投稿日:2022/04/07(Thu) 19:39:34 ID:185444192            ★コメ返信★

    (wRv_s^>>ujeb.se/WPRc5K

  34. 34. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/17(Tue) 03:56:39 ID:e7e666611            ★コメ返信★

    うーん・・・むしろ弱点の塊みたいな奴だと思うんだが
    敵を爪で掴んでも加速で気絶させて正面砲門で仕留めるとか戦法としておかしいだろ。
    ビームで自分の爪ごと溶かす気か?掴んだ瞬間握り潰すようになってればいいけど
    宇宙用なのに変に細く薄っぺらく作ってるのがよくわからんな。
    それに真正面からの攻撃を食らいやすい形状になってるのも何故なのか

  35. 35. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/07/17(Sun) 18:27:18 ID:9cd778b41            ★コメ返信★

    ※1
    むしろ後半は無人砲台で充分なレベル
    最終決戦で隊長格がザクⅠ乗って学徒兵がゲルググ
    機種転換する暇もなくオッゴまで作るくらいならヨルムンガンドの方が役に立つという有様

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