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【ガンダム】上下のない宇宙空間でなんでみんな同じ方向に揃って向いてるの?

1: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:36:08▼このレスに返信

ガンダムシリーズってなんでみんな宇宙空間で向いてる方向が同じなの?
2: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:36:55▼このレスに返信
アニメだから
わかりやすいだろ
4: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:39:00▼このレスに返信
>2
アニメじゃない
8: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:44:36▼このレスに返信
接敵して反対向いてたら絵が締まらんじゃん
12: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:47:55▼このレスに返信

キタ━━━(゚∀゚)━━━!!
7: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:42:58▼このレスに返信
銀河水平線という概念がヤマト時代から脈々と
13: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:48:47▼このレスに返信
ていうか1stだと向き逆の状態でガンダムとシャアが戦ってた事なかったっけ
16: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:52:40▼このレスに返信
マジレスすると富野がアニメの文法について語ってる本があるよ
マンガのコマの流れと同じでアニメにも流れというか方向に法則性があってそれによって視聴者の捉え方が変わる
だからキャラやロボの向きが一定になる
22: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:05:35▼このレスに返信
>16
演出上の理由で上手・下手の配置が決まるみたいな話なら分からなくもないんだが
宇宙空間で云々言ってるからそういう話でもなさそう
23: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:06:34▼このレスに返信
>22
いやそういう事だよ
それ無視したら何やってるか視聴者はわからんよ
25: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:12:49▼このレスに返信
>23
スレ主の疑問がそんな高尚なものには思えないって話だよ
19: 名無し 2022/05/06 22:58:59▼このレスに返信
まぁ海や空でも方角がわからないと遭難するし宇宙でも太陽や星の位置を基準に地図みたいなのがあるのかもしれない
そうじゃないと敵とかと遭遇したときにどの方角とか言えないからね
20: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:03:31▼このレスに返信
上に似たようなレスあるけどリアルな宇宙空間再現して天地逆にしたりそれぞれ向きバラバラにしたら視聴者混乱するだけだからだろ
38: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:50:43▼このレスに返信
>20
そんなことないよ
ただレーダーの都合で方向を一律に規格化しておいた方が
兵器製造も戦術的にも戦略的にも都合がいいからだよ
40: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:58:14▼このレスに返信
>38
自由自在に動いて戦うとなると連携とか難しそう
21: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:03:32▼このレスに返信
視聴者が見てる映像では機体の天地を揃えて映し出されてるだけで
実際には天地逆で交戦してる事もあるんじゃね?
24: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:07:00▼このレスに返信

進軍方向は様々だけどアニメーションで描かれるのは
せいぜいフレーム内なので艦艇はほぼ水平に描かれる
ちなみにアムロは水平戦闘を無視して頭上方面から攻撃を仕掛けている
26: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:16:29▼このレスに返信

>24
そういえばアクシズのノズル付近戦闘でもアムロやシャアは上や下に回り込んだり
横向きのままスライド移動したり全方向に自由に動いて戦ってるな
27: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:20:17▼このレスに返信
ちなみにgレコでは北極星が上って設定がある
29: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:21:49▼このレスに返信
>27
もしも現実世界で本格的に宇宙進出するようになったらそういう基準ができそうな気がするな
28: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:21:08▼このレスに返信
実際に宇宙にいた場合
前後左右上下関係なく動けたら強いだろうなって思うけど
便宜上の前後左右上下をある程度意識してないとなにがなんだかわからなくなっちゃいそうだよね
アニメを見てる方だって混乱するわけじゃん?多分そんなことやったら本人達はもっと混乱すると思う
30: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:23:15▼このレスに返信
ちなみに近い事例を上げると海の中で上下がわからなくなることとかよくあるし
ミツバチも波のない水面の上を飛んでると上下がわからなくなって墜落しちゃうんだよね
上下があって落っこちるのは確かに重力があるからだけどその感覚がなくなると上手く動けなくなっちゃうんだ
45: 名無し 2022/05/07 00:05:29▼このレスに返信

こういうシーンも
48: 名無し 2022/05/07 00:25:46▼このレスに返信
>45
輸送には上下に取り付けてやれるんだけど
結局戦場ではあんまり上下逆さまとかにはならないのは
結局そっちの方が混乱しないからだろうな現場でも
31: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:26:17▼このレスに返信
そもそもリアルに拘ると視認できなくなるよな
32: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:33:06▼このレスに返信
>31
ビームライフル撃ったら凄まじい速度だもんな…
34: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:34:52▼このレスに返信
>32
まあでも粒子ビームであってレーザービームではないので光速ではないけどね
41: 名無し 2022/05/07 00:00:23▼このレスに返信
>32
音速程度でも相対してたら気付くのも難しい
46: 名無し 2022/05/07 00:16:44▼このレスに返信
>41
宇宙だとその分距離が遠くなっていろいろ難しくなる
遠くから狙うと着弾時には相手が移動してしまっていたりとか
高速を超える感知は実質不可能だろう

そういうのを誤魔化して描いているわけだ

36: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:37:28▼このレスに返信
リアル追求したら
人型ロボットである必要すらなくなるしな
37: 名無し 2022/05/06 23:40:12▼このレスに返信
>36
そこにそれなりの設定というかリアリティを与えようとしたのがガンダムなわけで
コメント
  1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 08:10:46 ID:afd727358            ★コメ返信★

    最低限、同じ陣営内で上下の統一しておかないと、
    方角指示などで混乱するだけ。

  2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 08:41:28 ID:dd0eac605            ★コメ返信★

    相対速度を合わせないと戦闘すら発生しないとか
    「〇〇で遭遇戦しますよ」って戦闘前に敵味方取り決めしないとそもそも出会うことすら出来ないとか
    こんな問題は銀英伝の頃からさんざん言われてたじゃろ

  3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 09:15:45 ID:7ba763b9c            ★コメ返信★

    そもそも地表という絶対的な基準がある大気圏内のみを飛ぶベテランパイロットでもバーティゴ起こして墜落するんだから
    ある程度の基準面を決めてそれに合わせて動かないと人間なんてすぐ空間識失調起こして宇宙の彼方まで片道切符の旅行に出かけちまうぞ
    ゼログラビティあたりでそのへんの話もやってなかったっけ?

  4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 09:42:02 ID:8bd0a8ebc            ★コメ返信★

    多分人間同士の戦争が宇宙で起きたなら似たように上を合わせた戦闘になるだろう
    人間って体の構造上の問題で上下に死角が多くて、敵を捕らえるにはアキシアル面で敵を捕捉しなけりゃならんからね

  5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 09:42:20 ID:433d5301d            ★コメ返信★

    こないだの乗り物ニュースの記事で考察されてたぞ
    なるほどと唸らされる内容だったので読んでみて欲しい

  6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 09:53:52 ID:b0860323d            ★コメ返信★

    宇宙空間に完全適応した人類なら自由自在な宇宙戦闘が出来るかも知れないけど、所詮0Gの環境に適応進化した人類だからなぁ
    可能な限り地上の環境に近づけた方が運用しやすいよね

  7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 10:00:40 ID:cccbfa429            ★コメ返信★

    宇宙空間自体には上下は無いけど、上下を「設定」しないと人間が混乱する。

  8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 10:21:42 ID:3ac53f5f8            ★コメ返信★

    色々理屈つけてるけど新しい作画だと上下バラバラも珍しくないから全然ダメなんすよねぇ笑

  9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 11:00:46 ID:c239abfdc            ★コメ返信★

    そりゃぁ、全MSがテンデンバラバラな向きじゃ、指揮もできんわなw

  10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 11:49:59 ID:5d6a80aaf            ★コメ返信★

    ジャイロというものがあってだな…

  11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 12:40:35 ID:7f130610b            ★コメ返信★

    宇宙で生活してるっていってもコロニーや月面では普通に地面に脚をついて生活している。
    そこが変わらない限り上下の区別は無くならない。

  12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 12:42:19 ID:8a8081378            ★コメ返信★

    中のパイロットには上下あるしな逆に見てたら違和感で戦い難いやろ

  13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 13:16:56 ID:2432ec287            ★コメ返信★

    OSとか機体を動かすシステムの時点で
    どの面が下って決まってそう

  14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 13:28:45 ID:f98e3f5c1            ★コメ返信★

    で宇宙で本格的に上下意識してない作品て何?

  15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 14:12:47 ID:543419887            ★コメ返信★

    むしろ上下が決まってるほうがリアルじゃない?
    宇宙で施設によって上下がてんでバラバラだったら宙間移動が面倒くさすぎるじゃん

  16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 14:36:07 ID:11cca0b62            ★コメ返信★

    上にも挙がってるけど人間が宇宙で活動する上で上下を決めるのは必然、それがないと感覚が狂う
    こじつけでもなんでもなく
    なのでコクピットに自機の上下を示す方位磁針のようなものはあるだろう

  17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 15:37:21 ID:dd0eac605            ★コメ返信★

    敵と上下合わせる意味は全くないけどね
    まぁ垂直に攻撃しようものなら一瞬ですれ違うから、本格的に戦闘したいなら正面衝突しかないのも事実だけど

  18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 15:52:09 ID:a5b20ac6c            ★コメ返信★

    推進器が付いてる位置とか向きとか合わせとかないと集団行動とり難いんじゃない?

  19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 16:16:07 ID:99e2c5066            ★コメ返信★

    自軍の中は、全員の向きを揃えておかないと、
    「総員右折しろ」とか言う時に混乱するな

    敵とは合わせる必要は無いけど、
    戦闘をしてたらお互い見えにくくて
    どちらともなく無意識に、
    いつの間にか敵とも同じ向きになってたりするんじゃないかな

  20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 16:18:41 ID:99e2c5066            ★コメ返信★

    ヤマトでは天井からぶら下がってた塔がそのままデスラー艦になってて
    前後はあるけど、上下左右の四方向の内の一つを任意に上に出来て
    使う艦橋が迫り出すデザインなので、
    宇宙に上下があるのはおかしいと思ってたスタッフさんが考えたのかな

  21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 16:52:46 ID:96e8a3fa8            ★コメ返信★

    蒼き流星レイズナーで、進行方向は一緒だけど機体の向きはバラバラをやってる。うん。バラバラだった。
    小説版1stガンダムにそれの描写がある。自分は相手より上に行きたい。「上に行った。やった!」でも相手の頭は逆向きだったから相手も「上に行った。やった!」

    アニメでも漫画でも描写として特に意味はないんだと思う。

  22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 21:02:44 ID:c81821b86            ★コメ返信★

    戦争映画だと会敵した場合よく時計読みや建物や設置物等で位置を
    確認しあうけど宇宙だと星もありか?

  23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 21:10:37 ID:343d27747            ★コメ返信★

    地球がでっかく迫って見える低軌道なら、地球を下って考えた方がわかりやすそう
    でもだいたいの宇宙船は公転面上を移動するだろうから、人間の感覚としてその面を水平と見立てた方が感覚的にわかりやすいかもしれない
    その場合、地軸はちょっとズレてるけど、南北を上下とする事になる
    でも加速Gがかかってくると、船内ではそっちが必然的に下になるんだよな

  24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/07(Sat) 21:17:59 ID:343d27747            ★コメ返信★

    ※22
    方向を表すのに、天球上を区分けして記号を割り振ってもいいけど、星座ってのもありかもね
    「水瓶座方向より敵艦隊接近」とか、多少大雑把だけど
    宇宙船はだいたい公転面を移動するから、黄道十二星座がよく使われる事になる
    ちなみに占星術で使う××宮ってのは、もとの星座とはちょっとズレてるんだよな

  25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/08(Sun) 14:20:51 ID:e687bd907            ★コメ返信★

    ※1
    というか宇宙に本格的に進出したら宇宙版羅針盤とか作って基準設けないと訳分らん事になるだろうな

  26. 26. 名前:   投稿日:2022/05/16(Mon) 16:10:06 ID:b1e680d53            ★コメ返信★

    SEEDデスティニー序盤でアスランのザクゥオーリアが宇宙空間をぐりんぐりんと動いていて結構感動したんだけど・・・・その後は・・・・。

  27. 27. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/06/14(Tue) 04:35:32 ID:90343ea20            ★コメ返信★

    別にSF的オカルト捏造解釈無しでも恒星に対する公転の軌道でも銀河に対する公転の軌道でも良いだろ。
    今現在でも座標を指定して天体観測がされてるので天地がある事はご都合でもなんでも無い。

  28. 28. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/06/25(Sat) 12:25:53 ID:5492d5d26            ★コメ返信★

    アニメの演出の都合でしかない

  29. 29. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/06/28(Tue) 03:44:20 ID:03fca4189            ★コメ返信★

    まぁ現実でもある程度上下を決めて宇宙で活動してるし、ご都合主義とは言えないかな。

  30. 30. 名前:イーデオーン 投稿日:2022/08/24(Wed) 12:13:44 ID:8f7d29964            ★コメ返信★

    ミノフスキー粒子とかじゃね

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