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    【ガンダム】なんでザビ家の狂信者って多いんだろうな



    1: 名無し 2022/08/20 07:59:23▼このレスに返信

    ザビ家に狂信者が多いのは何でなの?
    2: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:00:23▼このレスに返信
    なんでこんなに権力持ってるの?
    5: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:01:59▼このレスに返信
    >2
    顔が怖いから
    9: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:04:09▼このレスに返信
    >2
    元々派閥があったんだろうなダイクン生存してる時でも…狂信者がいるのはそれはそれだけ現状に不満があったってことだな
    6: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:02:08▼このレスに返信
    控え目に言って大悪党
    8: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:04:02▼このレスに返信
    >6
    温厚そうなガルマですらコロニー落としには肯定的だったんだろ?
    11: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:09:11▼このレスに返信
    >6
    同胞と言うべき他のサイドの住人虐殺とか国民納得しないだろと思ったけど
    今のロシアとか見てると独裁国家って表向きにせよそれなりに回るんだなぁと…
    35: 名無し 2022/08/20 09:19:58▼このレスに返信
    >11
    劇場版のドアンは妻子を他のサイドに移住させたら毒ガスで失ったのが脱走の原因だったりするし
    国民やジオン兵の中にはやっぱ知人が被害に遭ったりしてよく思ってないの結構いるんじゃないか
    26: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:25:41▼このレスに返信

    おうちを悪の要塞みたいな外見で建築するセンス
    32: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:46:29▼このレスに返信
    >26
    めっちゃ住みにくそう
    37: 名無し 2022/08/20 09:22:06▼このレスに返信
    >26
    ジオン様式建築だぞ
    スペースコロニーは上空に行くほど無重力になるので地球ではできないアッパーウエイトな建築が可能になる、宇宙移民の象徴に相応しい建築方法だ
    というのを今考えた
    10: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:07:18▼このレスに返信

    シャアはよくやった
    12: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:10:47▼このレスに返信
    >10
    今更殺さなくてもと思ったがあの紫ババア生かしてもろくな事せんだろうしな
    16: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:13:07▼このレスに返信
    大体はギレンが悪い
    18: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:14:27▼このレスに返信
    >16
    ギレンとキシリアだなあ…悪いの
    ドズルは武人気質でガルマはお坊ちゃんだし
    21: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:17:37▼このレスに返信
    >18
    ドズルも弟の敵討ちとして貴重な戦力をすり潰すという失態をやらかす
    まあ相手が化け物だったんだが
    38: 名無し 2022/08/20 09:23:30▼このレスに返信
    >21
    兄弟で軍を縦割りしたのが敗北の直接要因だからな
    キシリアは意図的に援軍遅らせたりするし
    39: 名無し 2022/08/20 09:24:51▼このレスに返信
    >38
    ドムあってもラルが勝てたかはともかく掠め取って自分の戦力にするの普通にクソだよなあ…
    25: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:23:45▼このレスに返信
    明らかに悪者っぽいヴィジュアルだしやってることも悪者なんだけど
    彼らを慕う人間がいることに納得できるぐらいには個人として悪いわけではない
    27: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:26:19▼このレスに返信
    >25
    デラーズ「なので穀倉地帯にコロニー落とすね!後の事は知らん!」
    46: 名無し 2022/08/20 09:43:13▼このレスに返信
    赤の他人のジオンからデギンに引き継がれてなんでその後当たり前みたいに世襲性みたいにザビ家の血筋がありがたがられてるのか意味不明過ぎる
    22: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:18:21▼このレスに返信
    オリジンだと陰謀家でもあるが政治家になれない過激な思想家であるダイクンを制止してるデギンの構図だったな
    13: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:10:49▼このレスに返信
    宇宙移民者で構成された新興国家なのに貴族みたいな名門家系がゴロゴロいるという
    14: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:11:33▼このレスに返信
    >13
    それいったらクロスボーンだってなあ
    19: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:15:26▼このレスに返信
    >14
    CVはロナ家が昔からの家系を購入したうえで手下と貴族ごっこやってるけど
    ジオンの場合元々ザビ家は暴力団まがいの顔役だからなあ
    7: 名無し 2022/08/20 08:02:46▼このレスに返信
    顔から性格まで全然似てない兄妹
    44: 名無し 2022/08/20 09:35:20▼このレスに返信
    >7
    デギンとドズルは頭の形が似ている
    オリジンのサスロもデギンドズルに似せた顔立ち
    ギレンキシリアガルマは細面で切れ長の目という共通点がある
    おそらく母親似
    昔のアニメ誌の富野監督へのインタビューでドズルだけ不細工なのは母親が違うからと言っていた
    富野は割とその場のノリで言ったりするから当てにはならんけど
    45: 名無し 2022/08/20 09:42:24▼このレスに返信
    ドズル以外みんな嫁の浮気で出来た子だったりして

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 12:23:57 ID:087eeae8c            ★コメ返信★

        >記事45
        オリジンではジオン・ダイクンの正妻ローゼルシアもブッサいし、出てこないデギン・ソド・ザビの妻も色々ありそう

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 12:48:55 ID:f49c7102d            ★コメ返信★

        まぁ現実にも統○教会とか山○太郎に心酔するアホが大勢居るだろ
        同じ事だよ

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 12:51:12 ID:6caa2ef86            ★コメ返信★

        ※2
        個別の自称を蔑んでるようでは君も同類予備軍のアホだよ
        何故なのかと考えられない奴が引っかかる

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 12:53:08 ID:98e1af1bc            ★コメ返信★

        狂信者が多いというかそれ以外ほぼいなくなった
        その後はハマーン様の言うように血筋の支配は
        ある程度能力や政治基盤が担保されててわかりやすいから続きやすい

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 12:54:30 ID:6caa2ef86            ★コメ返信★

        でもお前らも戦争が始まった途端にプーチン暗殺しろ革命起こせクーデターやれって拠り所全部捨てたよねw
        状況によっては仕方ないんですか?それこそ悪党の思考じゃない
        仕方ないんなら外国人窃盗団も生活の為にやってんだから許してやれよ

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 13:01:30 ID:16c4493ba            ★コメ返信★

        ザビ家成り上がりの詳細は後付けのオリジンくらいしか描いてないが、庶民にいきなり一国の長をやれと言っても無理なはずだから元からそれなりに地位があって経営人慣れした御家だったんだろう
        政治回しをサポートする専門家みたいなのも見当たらないし

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 13:23:58 ID:087eeae8c            ★コメ返信★

        デギン辺りが異世界転生してきて作った家系かもしれん

      8. 8. 名前:名無し 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 13:56:28 ID:277d7c297            ★コメ返信★

        ズムシティはシャアの親父のせいなんだよなぁ…

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 14:13:36 ID:06c09552f            ★コメ返信★

        なお公式ではギレンはカリスマが凄いからで押し通して説明はできない模様

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 14:55:33 ID:47ee6695b            ★コメ返信★

        ※6
        オリジン24巻でUC0057当時ではデギンは大学の学部長でダイクンは教授だった

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 16:09:48 ID:30954a7d3            ★コメ返信★

        原作者がそういう設定にしたからだよw

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 16:10:54 ID:836688f9b            ★コメ返信★

        ZZでサイド3のコロニー譲渡されたけど住民からめっちゃ抵抗されてたでしょ
        過激なテロリストしか好かれてないよ

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 16:12:50 ID:c1c4f0519            ★コメ返信★

        ジオンの元ネタのナチスもドイツ国民の不満の受け皿だった
        コロニーに対する連邦の圧政へのコロニー住人の不満の受け皿として
        ザビ家が機能しちゃったと言うかギレンがそうなる様に政治宣伝した
        ザビ家自体のカリスマ性というよりも上手く民の不満に付け込んだんだな

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 16:44:11 ID:c7b6f362d            ★コメ返信★

        ドイツはズタボロで貧乏で虐められてたけど
        ジオンは金持ちでイキってたから説明に困る

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 17:16:29 ID:1aa1f9468            ★コメ返信★

        >記事46
        えっ?本気で言ってる?
        ジオンの時代は共和国だったけど、ジオンが死んでザビ家が支配した時に公国に名前を変えてるからデギン公王の一族が支配するのは普通の流れ。ジオンが国王なり公王なりになっていれば「乗っ取り」だったけど共和国の代表だっただけだし跡継ぎを担ぎ出そうにもキャスバルは幼いし内妻?愛人?の子供だし・・・ジンバ・ラルはどう考えてもデギンとの権力争いで負けた腹いせに無い事無い事をキャスバルとアルテイシアに吹き込んでそう。

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/20(Sat) 18:38:27 ID:12c94a2c6            ★コメ返信★

        現実に未だ、ヒロヒトやヒトラーを賛美している奴がウヨウヨいるじゃん。

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/21(Sun) 00:23:25 ID:cef7761f8            ★コメ返信★

        いうてちょび髭がドイツ人一億(いわゆる民族ドイツ人含む)の心を掌握したのもたった7,8年の政治活動の結果やぞ?
        ダイクン=ザビ政権は野党時代も政権掌握期もナチより10年強長いから思想教育も根深いでしょ。

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/21(Sun) 01:56:15 ID:03f8c2777            ★コメ返信★

        ナチスもそうだけど単純に見た目のカッコよさを意識してるよな
        視覚的なカッコよさを意識した軍服とかっていうのは人を惹き付ける

        いつの間にか世襲制にしようとするのは共産圏の国家とかにもよくみられる話

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/21(Sun) 06:42:29 ID:d8306ec0d            ★コメ返信★

        残党派閥がザビ家ばかりなのが不思議だ
        まあジオンの貴族はクソなのが多いからな
        部下を毒殺したり見殺したり奴隷を飼っていたり
        一番まともなのでザビ家なのかもしれん
        そりゃミライさんも匙を投げるわ

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/21(Sun) 10:09:43 ID:71cccd5bf            ★コメ返信★

        ※16
        権力者ヒトラーと実権は皆無に等しいヒロヒトを同一視している無能が何をいってもねぇ

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/21(Sun) 11:23:32 ID:134f2b9a0            ★コメ返信★

        ※16
        現場の人間が???になったソ連に短気起こしてパンチしちゃったヒゲと米開戦時のイキリ軍部にガチギレしてた人を一緒にしてはいけない

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/21(Sun) 12:02:43 ID:315a0fdeb            ★コメ返信★

        ※20 ※21
        ほら狂信者が出てきた。
        明治憲法に明記されていた通り、ヒロヒトは全権を有していた独裁者。
        開戦を決めたのも近衛上奏文を拒み、降伏を否定したのも奴だ。

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/21(Sun) 12:18:25 ID:315a0fdeb            ★コメ返信★

        ※20
        これだから狂信者は……。
        明治憲法くらい読んでから発言しなよ。

      24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/21(Sun) 12:19:27 ID:315a0fdeb            ★コメ返信★

        ※21
        開戦を決めたのもヒロヒト、一撃講和論に固執して早期の降伏を拒んだのもヒロヒトなんですが。

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