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何でアムロの恋人がベルトーチカじゃなくてイヤな女だったのか

1: 名無し 2022/09/07 22:28:02▼このレスに返信

イヤな女

2: 名無し 2022/09/07 22:28:59▼このレスに返信

クェスの立てたスレ

8: 名無し 2022/09/07 22:33:38▼このレスに返信

チェーンもチェーンで勝手に出撃して現場かき乱すし
もうめちゃくちゃだよ

133: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:49:29▼このレスに返信

>8
小説のベルトーチカ役割をそのままやっちゃっうからね
メカニックの仕事放置して機銃撃ちに行ったりするのも変

137: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:51:13▼このレスに返信

>133
チェーンのことなら機銃座のリモコンが壊れて遠隔操作で撃てないから直接撃ちに行った

141: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:53:37▼このレスに返信

>137
今小説で確認したら元のベルチル小説も同じ理由だわ

9: 名無し 2022/09/07 22:33:45▼このレスに返信

けど実際イヤな女だよなーとは思う

15: 名無し 2022/09/07 22:35:41▼このレスに返信

とは言え歴代のアムロの女の中では一番まともでは

16: 名無し 2022/09/07 22:36:19▼このレスに返信

なんでベルトーチカじゃダメだったの？

19: 名無し 2022/09/07 22:38:17▼このレスに返信

>16
チャーミングじゃなかったから

27: 名無し 2022/09/07 22:44:09▼このレスに返信

ベルトーチカは小説版でアムロの子供生んでるから
色々と夢のある存在ではある

108: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:13:33▼このレスに返信

ベルチルだとベルトーチカがチェーンのポジションになって子供産んでるらしいけどチェーンみたく死んだりしない？（未読）

117: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:26:22▼このレスに返信

>108
リ・ガズィで出撃してグラーブ(ギュネイ)に遭遇するけど赤ちゃんの力で助かって返り討ちにする
その後アクシズまで行く
アムロがライフルの弾切れ起こしたタイミングでギラドーガに襲われたとき、リ・ガズィで体当たりして助けたもののベルトーチカは気絶して漂流
ベルトーチカが気がつくのはクライマックスでアクシズがサイコフレームの光に覆われた頃
アムロが光の先にいることを知覚する
アムロの明確な最期の描写はないけど最後にベルトーチカが嘔吐感の中でお腹の子の無事を祈り
そのときには「もう……ナイチンゲールのさえずりは、聞こえなかった」で終わる

111: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:15:01▼このレスに返信

ベルトーチカはZの中で数少ない良い方へ変われた人物だと思うんで続投して欲しかった

116: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:25:35▼このレスに返信

>111
ゼータのベルトーチカといえばカミーユを脅して凄むシーンにゾクゾクした
「お前にマーク2が似合うかどうかの話してるんじゃねえんだよ！ガンダムに乗らないアムロなんておかしいと思わねえのか！？」

48: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:01:05▼このレスに返信

お禿がインタビューでロクに触れない理由はなんだろう
好きじゃないからなのか
普通寄りで興味自体ないのか
好きだけどお気に入りのクェス殺す役だから複雑なのか

50: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:02:37▼このレスに返信

>48
スポンサーに言われてベルトーチカの代わりに出したキャラだから興味がないんだろうな

52: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:03:07▼このレスに返信

>50
ああそっちもありえるのか

54: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:05:21▼このレスに返信

チェーン死なせたのってもしかして…

55: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:09:15▼このレスに返信

チェーンはサイコフレーム≒子宮のメタファーのシーンをやるためだけに死なせた気がする

81: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:46:35▼このレスに返信

チェーンが悪いわけじゃないけどチェーン誕生の経緯や環境の闇が深そうだな…

58: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:09:51▼このレスに返信

結局ここで死んだっぽいのに
アムロ子持ちはダメって判断に意味あったの？

59: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:11:11▼このレスに返信

>58
アムロの子供で一稼ぎとかクソみたいな続編作らせないで済んでよかった

60: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:12:13▼このレスに返信

そんな…シャアにはクローンがいるのに…

66: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:16:07▼このレスに返信

悟空とか平気で子持ちだし「アムロが子供いるのはまずい」って考えは時代を感じるなあ

74: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:31:29▼このレスに返信

仮にアムロもチェーンも生き残ったとして
二人が上手くやっていけたのかはわからないというか判断材料が少なすぎる
ただアムロが荒れるときがあること知らないっぽいから
まだ微妙な距離感あるなら割とまだ付き合い浅いのか

77: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:38:16▼このレスに返信

アクシズショックを起こす流れのためにチェーンを死なせる決断で悩んだと富野監督はインタビューで話していたから思い入れはあったんだろうな

84: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:50:22▼このレスに返信

>77
2～3年前のインタビューだと途中で尺が足りないことに気づいたから
結末に奇跡起こすための判断で雑に殺してしまったみたいなこと言ってたな

88: 名無し 2022/09/07 23:55:26▼このレスに返信

>84
まあ雑に死んだのはチェーンだけでもないので…………

112: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:15:51▼このレスに返信

クエスの「あんたがいなきゃアムロのそばにいられたのに」ってセリフあるけどメタい

120: 名無し 2022/09/08 00:28:06▼このレスに返信

>112
ベルトーチカの叫び

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 12:06:08 ID：4b62f74ca ★コメ返信★

ベルトーチカがイヤな女じゃないという風潮
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 12:06:41 ID：c0d9cfd72 ★コメ返信★

富野の娘と上層部に言われて変えた話が出てないってまじ？
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 12:11:17 ID：3cfdcf418 ★コメ返信★

＞クェスの立てたスレ
会ったらベルトーチカだってイヤな女と思いそう
ただし声だけは認めそう
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 12:12:37 ID：0279ba27a ★コメ返信★

>記事50
ベルチルから入ったんで全く同じ気持ちなんだよな
チェーンの死について語ってるコメとか見ると、物凄い温度差を感じる
チェーン本人には一切非はないんだけど、どうしてもスポンサーの意向で入れた代役ってのが真っ先にきてしまってね
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 12:36:59 ID：643aa0a36 ★コメ返信★

>記事1
ベルトーチカさらに嫌われそうなんだけど・・・ベルチルではそうでもなかったん？
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 12:39:36 ID：712b8176f ★コメ返信★

クェスの声にうっかり川村万梨阿さんを充てちゃったからだよ

反応:※22
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 12:44:36 ID：97117d474 ★コメ返信★

アムロに子供がいるなんてヤダヤダとダダこねたガンダム委員会とか言うホモ集団に言えよ。
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 12:56:24 ID：5096cc0d9 ★コメ返信★

今後アムロの子や孫を出す作品を作る可能性を考慮して
ベルチルルートを存続可能にする為に
チェーンはコロコロされたのかも。
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 13:08:38 ID：1803111ef ★コメ返信★

＞悟空とか平気で子持ちだし

孫までいる“お爺ちゃん”だぞ、アイツ…
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 13:09:15 ID：d84041fe3 ★コメ返信★

あのクェスが二人の間に入れないと、口喧嘩一回だけでわりとあっさり引いた辺り、チェーンとアムロが気付いてないだけで妊娠しており、クェスは無意識に感知していたと思う。
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 13:11:19 ID：4310b8cfa ★コメ返信★

Z放送当時のベルトーチカが視聴者受け良くなかったから映画のヒロインとして推すのに制作委員会が難色示して新ヒロインのチェーン登場って経緯もあり得そう
ベルトーチカは富野作品によくいるタイプの性格だけどチェーンはそうじゃないし監督自身思い入れとかなさそう
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 13:14:24 ID：b35e02aed ★コメ返信★

そういや、ベルトーチカとクェスって声優同じなのか。チャムといい、やはり富野ヒロインといえば川村万梨阿って感じ

反応:※14
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 14:14:19 ID：8aaa0a179 ★コメ返信★

中の人が同じやしそりゃもう
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 14:15:05 ID：8aaa0a179 ★コメ返信★

※12
チャム・ファウとかリリス・ファウとか
ワイが初めて知ったのはヴァルキリープロファイルのフレイだった
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 15:26:09 ID：8cd1e8aaa ★コメ返信★

まーベルト―チカならクェスとも波長があぅて仲良くなったやも知れん

反応:※23
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 17:00:03 ID：a1c729bb7 ★コメ返信★

クェスにとっちゃ大人の女は全部嫌な女だろ
クェス自体ろくでなしの親父のせいで歪んでる
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 17:30:19 ID：cdd16f83a ★コメ返信★

セイラさんを出せずにベルトーチカ
ベルトーチカ出せずにチェーン
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 17:38:49 ID：3e30f4d2f ★コメ返信★

スパロボ時空ならベルトーチカとチェーンが協力してHi-ν完成させてたな
アムロの中の人はチェーンの方が好きらしい
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 18:15:48 ID：d3c6b8e13 ★コメ返信★

>記事27
ご懐妊ではあったけど、生まれてなかったんじゃない？
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 18:44:28 ID：f9be14cb7 ★コメ返信★

>記事60
ベルチルでガキができたアムロとどう違うのか訳わかんねー理屈
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 18:51:58 ID：4861f472d ★コメ返信★

演じた弥生みつきさんに結構似てるんだよな
なお井上喜久子さんのお姉さんとは別人
22. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 20:47:18 ID：c9c7769c0 ★コメ返信★

※6
当時の富野さんの頭の中ではウザいビッチは川村に任せておけば良い、永野くんの嫁(にはまだなってなかったかｗ)だし・・・とかなってたんだろう
23. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/08(Thu) 21:13:28 ID：4310b8cfa ★コメ返信★

※15
ベルチルだとベル本人が自覚してない段階でクェスがNT能力でアムロの子供身籠ってる察知しててむしろチェーンの時よりも物腰が柔らかい
同時にアムロが絶対に自分の父親代わりにならないと悟って絶望的してシャアのとこに行く動機づけにもなってる
ベルチルのクェスは父親が実母を追い出した愛人を公務につれ回してるのに同行するの嫌って家出してインド修行して連れ帰された際に実母を家に戻してって感じで抗議してるし実母と仲が良かったのを窺わせてて自分の母を追い出した愛人のようにアムロの子供から母親であるベルトーチカを奪いたくたかった気配がある
24. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/09(Fri) 04:34:49 ID：c709ec7c5 ★コメ返信★

逆シャアの後で冷凍状態でアムロ発見とかしたらクローンワンチャンあったのかな
25. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/09/09(Fri) 08:04:52 ID：d4ef19881 ★コメ返信★

ベルトーチカ出した理由が「本当はセイラがそのポジションだったけど、声優さんが留学してたから」。
Zでアムロとセイラが恋人同士になれば、宇宙世紀の歴史そのものが変わっただろうに。
今になって北爪さんのZ漫画で、恋人だった時期はあったけど、別れちゃった・・・みたいな変なフォロー入れてるけど。
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