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【ガンダム】ダブルゼータってゼータより強いのになんで人気ないの？？

1: 名無し 2021/02/26 09:59:17

ΖZガンダムはΖガンダムより強くてカッコいいのに
なんで人気ないの？

2: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:09:11

マジンガーZだってガンダムより強いのにガンダムほど人気ないだろ？

6: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:12:12

>2
わりといい勝負じゃないかな

13: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:15:27

>2
それを言うならマジンガーZとグレートじゃないかな

17: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:18:37

>13
グレート弱いぞ毎回どっか壊されるし

35: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:24:20

アニメじゃないから

41: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:25:25

>35
特撮系のデザインだわ
というか最近の戦隊ロボのほうが有機的なレベル

7: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:12:12

デブ大食いパワー系のイエローを主役にするようなもの

14: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:17:30

>7
戦隊でも３人しかいないから

4: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:10:46

大火力のガンダムを主役にしたらあかん

11: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:14:41

こんな体格差あったっけ

29: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:22:12

>11
Zガンダム19.85m
ZZガンダム19.86m
頭頂高では誤差程度しか違わない

19: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:19:19

玩具の合体変形を重視しすぎたためデザインが平面構成箱構成すぎて浮いてる

26: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:20:46

>19
Zの汚い変形を反省してのZZなんじゃね

12: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:15:10

ってかZガンダムのほうが圧倒的にカッコいいし

37: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:24:57

アレンジするとコレジャナイになるし
設定画そのままだとバランス悪いしで難しいMS

53: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:27:50

>37
KaのFAZZの中身はわりとカッコいいと思う
というかあれ見て初めてZZをカッコいいと思った

191: 名無し 2021/02/26 12:49:29

FAZZのイメージが普及し過ぎてるせいでマッシヴボディと思われがちだが
すっぴんだと本体部分は結構細身なんだよな…やっぱガンダムだってなる
あと突起パーツが派手に外側に威嚇する形状取ってるから実寸よりデカく見えるのもありそう

81: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:34:21

何でZの後継機作ろうとしたらコイツが出来るの？ってくらいのベクトルの不一致を感じる

109: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:51:20

>81
戦況すら変えうるのがガンダム神話であり
エゥーゴもそれにすがるくらいの状況からの
開発発注だからベクトルで言ったらΖのほうが異質かも

86: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:36:49

>81
というか本来の名前はθガンダムだろ？
なんだよダブルゼータって

83: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:35:48

θガンダムなのになんでZZになったんだろう

89: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:37:47

>83
Zガンダムが期待したほどのアドバンテージを示せなかったから「ゼータ系」で強いやつが必要だったのかもしれない

9: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:12:27

ZZは作品としては好きだったけれど、その主役機はそこまで好きじゃなかったな

102: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:44:12

デザインはZZよりZの方が好きだったが、プラモはZZの方が断然好きだった

105: 名無し 2021/02/26 10:45:22

>102
1/100のプラモがわりと完璧すぎた
バックパックが甲羅みたいに空っぽだったけど

192: 名無し 2021/02/26 12:52:21

顔が悪いよ顔が
これがゼータ系の顔だったら印象違うと思う

219: 名無し 2021/02/26 13:13:26

ＺもＺＺも違うベクトルでそれぞれ格好いい
どっちがなんて決めたがるやつは古い地球人だと思う

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 17:19:55 ID：a27db3b33 ★コメ返信★

立体化だとごつくされるが作中や設定画だとそこまで細くない
むしろZが細身に鎧着込んだ感じでガッシリしてる
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 17:23:41 ID：8ca57ec2d ★コメ返信★

強い武器つけよう←わかる
頭に←！？！？？
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 17:35:46 ID：ea12ca903 ★コメ返信★

顔がデブだから
あとは大体ビーチャのせい

反応:※24
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 17:48:27 ID：5f1c43853 ★コメ返信★

旧1/100キットよかったよな
子供心にもZが派生多いのは旧キットの出来があまりにも悪すぎたからだと思ってたわ
ZZは決定版が出たからの差というか
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 17:49:34 ID：ad58397b4 ★コメ返信★

前半のギャグパートとか変なキメポーズとかそういうの諸々込みのせい
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 18:02:47 ID：ec67f6815 ★コメ返信★

ハイメガキャノンがね…
あとなんかハイパービームサーベルも太すぎてなんか…全体的に野暮ったく見えるのよね
フルアーマーZZくらい振り切ると違うカッコよさも見えてくるんだけどさ
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 18:13:21 ID：cc73c2b90 ★コメ返信★

ゲームだとごつくて火力は有るが使いづらいって不人気だろ、重モビルスーツってノーマル機を使ってる奴からしたら使いづらいんだよ、ゲームやるやつはスピードの速いライトアーマーとかが良いってのも慣れてる奴限定だし、一般量産機がノーマルタイプが多いってのがこれが一番使いやすいんだよ、距離取って戦うか大軍に突っ込んで戦うかで変わって来るだろ
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 18:26:33 ID：9b7ed6cf3 ★コメ返信★

Zが大人気すぎるカッコいいもんな
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 18:35:33 ID：5fa9915f4 ★コメ返信★

機構やなんやかんやがおもちゃっぽすぎる
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 18:44:50 ID：cfe534a15 ★コメ返信★

ZZ人気あるでしょ
改修完成品はヤフオクでも高値付くし
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 18:55:04 ID：df7abafb4 ★コメ返信★

まあ、パイロットの人気とドラマ（スイカバー）の有無の差だろうな……

おもちゃとしてはゼータより好きよ
超合金の可変戦士ZZ、再販かリニューアル販売しねえかな
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 18:55:32 ID：a27db3b33 ★コメ返信★

一見人気ないようで立体化の機会がかなり多い
VerKaもメッキパーツ以外は素晴らしい出来栄えだった
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 19:00:45 ID：f6fcdde3b ★コメ返信★

今でこそかっこよくリファインされてるが、当時の絵ではデブでブサイクだったから
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 19:01:54 ID：a27db3b33 ★コメ返信★

むしろ当時の方がスリムやん
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 20:35:49 ID：d34fe854d ★コメ返信★

Zのほうが小回りが利くってのがＺ最強廚の論拠になったから

反応:※18
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 20:36:24 ID：2256fe417 ★コメ返信★

やたらデブで鈍重扱いする奴がいる機体
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 20:48:35 ID：350696eb3 ★コメ返信★

小林誠がモデグラで公開してたフルスクラッチモデルの体形がカッコ良かった。
手足の末端にボリュームあって迫力ある体型。
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 21:07:10 ID：a27db3b33 ★コメ返信★

※15
実際はGフォートレスよりウェイブライダーの方がってだけなんだけどな
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 21:56:54 ID：dface1625 ★コメ返信★

x以上に主人公の声があってない
ダミ声な上におねえ口調とか人気出るわけないわ

反応:※34
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 22:41:49 ID：0781fb671 ★コメ返信★

別に不人気ではねーよ

Zが特別人気あるだけ
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 22:46:03 ID：96f321b7c ★コメ返信★

Zと比べたら大半のMSが人気で勝てなくね？それこそνとかじゃないと
ZZもカッコいいけどZが強すぎる
22. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 23:07:54 ID：9a48f52ac ★コメ返信★

顔はZZがガンダムっぽく戻ったって子供の頃人気あったんだけどな
23. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/26(Fri) 23:19:53 ID：5275a3a4e ★コメ返信★

頭部にハイメガキャノンは今考えてもオカシイ
24. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 00:07:01 ID：d5feb1901 ★コメ返信★

※3
どうしても下ぶくれして見えるんだよね
25. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 00:08:32 ID：d5feb1901 ★コメ返信★

ぶっちゃけZもカッコ悪い

反応:※28
26. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 00:09:51 ID：8fe95a394 ★コメ返信★

ダイターン３的な物を目指していたんだろう
27. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 00:13:20 ID：ed7c2d737 ★コメ返信★

Z顔はいまでこそ普通に受け入れられてるけど、当時は初代→mkⅡ→からのZ顔は「カッコいいけど、これガンダム？」って空気がすごくあった。
なので顔がZZで先祖返りしたのはわりと納得の行く流れだった。
しかし、スマートなZとは正反対のごんぶと体型は周囲でも「なんだあの豚は」という声も多く、バルキリーの次にオーガスが来たときのような「なんか俺たちの求めてるものとちょっと違う」感があって次第に作品自体が話題に上がらなくなった。
28. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 00:41:46 ID：b03d2e74f ★コメ返信★

※25
Zは正面は良いんだが背中の巨大な背負いものが体格と合ってないのがね…
Zプラスは上手くまとまってる
29. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 01:03:58 ID：26c41df57 ★コメ返信★

センチネルのプラモの白いアーマーを着たジュドー機って設定着いた？
30. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 12:19:08 ID：c7cd0e2e1 ★コメ返信★

ランドセルとか肩に載ってる突起とか、人型から飛び出てる部分を取り払うとデブでもない普通のガンダム体形が出てくるんだけどな
だいたいデブというにはスレ内最後の画像とか、脚すらりと長すぎかよっていう

高火力鈍足にされがちなゲームの風評受けてると思う　わりとマジで
31. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 15:31:37 ID：e0a72a02a ★コメ返信★

逆。ZZは「Zより強いのが気に入らない」が理由でガノタに嫌われている
32. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 16:27:09 ID：6b23436ac ★コメ返信★

だた強いだけで好かれるなら今頃ターンAは歴代人気１位ですよっと
33. 名前:774 投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 17:09:00 ID：b4c675aa2 ★コメ返信★

主人公機がデブいのは如何なものかと
34. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/27(Sat) 21:24:16 ID：bb5cc0a8e ★コメ返信★

※19
え？ボンちゃんもフランキーも人気割とあるだろ
35. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/02/28(Sun) 00:43:24 ID：750408e38 ★コメ返信★

ZZはSDのアレンジ機体でも人気ないからな
やっぱり大人気ない火力特盛感が主人公機として微妙なんじゃないの
36. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/03(Wed) 21:31:50 ID：d15ed68bc ★コメ返信★

スーパーロボット寄りなのがミリタリーくずれには刺さらない。
ムキムキパワータイプよりテクニカルキャラの方がリアル志向には受けるのだろう。
ハルクよりスパイダーマンみたいな。

てかこの場合はZがイケメンすぎる。シリーズ２作目で出てくる顔じゃない。
37. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/09(Tue) 10:05:35 ID：0c1b12357 ★コメ返信★

祝砲でうっかりコロニー落としちゃうヤベーやつ
38. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/19(Fri) 17:47:31 ID：41061e8c8 ★コメ返信★

俺はZより好きだったけどな
なんならストーリー構成含めて
39. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/20(Sat) 02:05:53 ID：c3180a842 ★コメ返信★

＞何でZの後継機作ろうとしたらコイツが出来るの？ってくらいのベクトルの不一致を感じる

後継機じゃないから当然
名前から兄弟機や後継機というイメージ強いけど開発の系譜はZとは遠いところにある
40. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/27(Sat) 20:49:18 ID：160782e32 ★コメ返信★

機体自体は人気ある
ZZのアニメ自体がクソつまらない
41. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/28(Sun) 13:51:47 ID：1de5cf13d ★コメ返信★

シールドで大気圏内飛べるんだ、凄いねキミ（棒読み）
42. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/29(Mon) 16:49:52 ID：0c1f866c6 ★コメ返信★

3機合体が意味不明だからなあ
合体シーンとかガンダムで要らんやろ
まあ自分はZが一番好きでZZも好きですけどね
43. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/04/25(Sun) 18:41:21 ID：7ecfd6331 ★コメ返信★

シリーズモノってのは前作までのファンを取り込めたかどうかってのが
人気の大きさの鍵を握るわけよ
ゼータはガンダムから雪だるま式に増えてったファンを見事捕まえ、
さらに独自人気も獲得できたんだが
ダブルゼータは、ガンダム→ゼータとはだいぶ違う間隔・事情・環境で生まれてしまった
単独としての魅力はあったもののその方向性の違いとも相まって
ゼータまでのガンダム人気を引き継げなかったために…まああんな評価よね…
要するに前作のファン（人気）を獲得できなかったわけな
全体でのファン数は圧倒的にゼータだったから必然マイノリティ化せざるを得ず…って感じ
名を出すと叩かれるが実はSEEDが似てるんだ…人気の大きさは逆転しててそれはそれでオモシロイものの
圧倒的なクオリティで描かれたが不人気なターンエーと
作画も脚本も稚拙だったにも関わらず、それ以外の部分に注力して切り開いたSEED
…そりゃあ当時順番に見てたらそれまでのファンは叩くかもねダブルゼータもSEEDも
44. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/05(Tue) 12:14:30 ID：bbb8c76ce ★コメ返信★

兵器として合理性のない突起物と合体でいちいちヒーローポーズしてスーパーロボット感
を押し出したくせにアニメじゃないとか…
せめて合体ポーズを止めて変形をもっと短時間でやるようにすれば良かった
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