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ハマーンのネオジオンとかいう突然内紛起こしちゃうグダグダ組織ｗｗｗｗｗｗ

1: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:29:21▼このレスに返信

ハマーンのネオジオン
勝ちまくっていたのに突然内紛して滅んだのが謎

8: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:33:19▼このレスに返信

>1
自転車操業が一つコケてあっという間に潰れるか一つ残して壊滅状態ってのは時々見る

4: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:32:33▼このレスに返信

人材に依る部分が多すぎてちょっと減っただけで立ち行かない

9: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:33:44▼このレスに返信

敗因はやはりノースリーブか

10: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:35:27▼このレスに返信

>9
むしろキャラやイリアみたいなのがいた方が戦果上がりそうだ

11: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:36:01▼このレスに返信

ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!

14: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:37:53▼このレスに返信

>No.929235614
なんで女性用はこんなのを軍服にしたのか

15: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:41:00▼このレスに返信

>14
この服が制服というよりこいつらが勝手にこの服着てるってきがする

12: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:37:15▼このレスに返信

士官戦闘服おかしくない？

16: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:43:30▼このレスに返信

士官戦闘服と下士官・兵の服のギャップがすごい

41: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:04:51▼このレスに返信

まあ服装がバラバラなのがまともな組織じゃないことをよく表してるとは思う

21: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:46:59▼このレスに返信

連邦軍が疲弊しきってたところで火事場泥棒してただけだしなあ

23: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:49:02▼このレスに返信

>21
まあ戦果で言えば１年戦争の目的を達成してたりする

50: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:07:42▼このレスに返信

>21
ティターンズ壊滅で連邦上層部が混乱しててエゥーゴ官僚もまだ掌握しきれてない状況だったし
そんななのにZZなんか開発して出してきたから焦っただろうな

53: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:09:01▼このレスに返信

>50
そういえばなんでダブルゼータ開発する余裕とかあったの？
経緯詳しいこと知らないや

61: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:13:18▼このレスに返信

>53
対サイコガンダム用に作ってたのがグリプス戦役後に完成したってだけ

66: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:16:31▼このレスに返信

ダブルゼータという規格外すぎる兵器も大概だがよく考えたらドーベンウルフやジャムルフィン、量産型キュベレイを複数造れて
クィンマンサなんていうものまで造れてるネオジオンもやべぇ
温存してたとは言え

69: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:17:18▼このレスに返信

>66
いくらガンダムチームとはいえ普通は勝てないよなあ

34: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:58:37▼このレスに返信

人材不足は作中でグチってるし
シャアの協力は是非とも欲しかったんだろうな
前線指揮全部任せられるし

137: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:59:38▼このレスに返信

人材が若いのばかりだよな

139: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:06:38▼このレスに返信

>137
一線級がグリプス戦役で死にまくった設定だったような
単純に政治的地盤がなかったのかもしれないけど

45: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:06:17▼このレスに返信

アクシズは所詮ただの小惑星都市でしかないので
どう足掻いても正面きった戦争では連邦には勝てない
だからグリプス戦役後のドサクサに紛れて連邦政府を恫喝して
サイド3割譲の譲歩を引き出すのが限界だったしハマーンも当面はそれで満足だった
戦略目標は達成されたはずなのに…

67: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:16:45▼このレスに返信

>45
計画成功したら分け前で揉めて分裂なんて野盗らしくて良いじゃないか

7: 名無し 2022/01/20 17:33:15▼このレスに返信

グレミーの行動が唐突すぎる

167: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:29:55▼このレスに返信

グレミーが反乱起こさなければどうなったかな

168: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:31:53▼このレスに返信

>167
その辺も独立勢力にはなれた説と反攻作戦自体は反乱関係なく行われたから時間の問題説があるな

112: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:34:14▼このレスに返信

ミネバに反乱を押さえられるくらいのカリスマ性があればハマーンは優秀な政治家で終われたのにな

158: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:21:47▼このレスに返信

>112
いくらなんでも幼過ぎた
10才かそこらでどないせえと

127: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:43:50▼このレスに返信

ハマーン的には別にジオン再興なんてどうでもよくて
むしろ復讐の対象だったので
いい所で反乱起こさせてぶっつぶれるところまで計画の内だったんじゃないかしら

163: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:24:56▼このレスに返信

>127
途中からジュドー一人に気を取られて軍の指揮が明らかにおざなりになってるし

174: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:35:02▼このレスに返信

>163
わざわざ敵の船に乗り込むとかねーわ…

175: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:36:55▼このレスに返信

>174
この時絶対まんざらでもない感覚を味わってたはずだ！

166: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:26:52▼このレスに返信

>163
シャア「個人に気を取られて指揮を執るのを捨てるとは」

172: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:33:56▼このレスに返信

>166
あなた計画の時点からじゃないですか

134: 名無し 2022/01/20 18:55:58▼このレスに返信

プライド高過ぎる上に妙なジュドーの言う通り妙なとこで潔いからもう自分の落としどころ探してたんやろな
早い話がシャアが悪い！

157: 名無し 2022/01/20 19:19:45▼このレスに返信

ハマーン様がアクシズ内での求心力形成に苦労したのも
メガバズーカランチャーでベテラン殺されまくって若手ばっかり起用するはめになったのも
本当に大体シャアのせい

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/21(Fri) 15:36:34 ID：7530febd7 ★コメ返信★

中世ヨーロッパや江戸時代日本と同じなんや。
金持ちザビ家が着古した古着を現場指揮官以下がもらって、その古着を彼らのセンスで適当に組み合わせて着てるんや。
SDGsや。
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/21(Fri) 16:43:08 ID：0063955e8 ★コメ返信★

所詮小者が集まっただけ、だからジュドーでも倒せた
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/21(Fri) 17:44:11 ID：594c5701f ★コメ返信★

Zの頃の設定ではアクシズは新兵ばかりで練度が低いとされていたし、シャアのメガバズーガランチャーでまとめて消し飛ばされたのも新兵だったのでは？
まあ、新兵の中でもマシなレベルの兵だったのかもしれないが。
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/21(Fri) 18:07:21 ID：e402cf80a ★コメ返信★

急にナイトとか言い出したりしたら頭おかしなったと思われて反乱起こされてもしゃあない
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/21(Fri) 19:28:50 ID：9081208a4 ★コメ返信★

>記事158
UCミネバのママ感にNTミネバのオカン感。

反応:※6
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/21(Fri) 20:16:22 ID：54fa1dbc2 ★コメ返信★

※5
Ｚ時代のミネバ様が一番
次にＵＣ　あとはなんか違う
ドズルの血を引いてる以上ああなるのはしゃーないとは思うけど
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/22(Sat) 02:58:20 ID：b34ef8ec0 ★コメ返信★

>記事7
ギレンの血統というにはアホすぎるが期の読めなさがギレンの血統っぽいというか…
ギレンというよりキシリアの血統じゃね？こいつ
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/22(Sat) 07:58:41 ID：d7d4a4eef ★コメ返信★

まあジオンなんて内紛起こしてなんぼよ
起こらないシャアのが異端

反応:※13
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/22(Sat) 10:45:39 ID：594e21bce ★コメ返信★

連邦弱ってたとはいえ人口3万人ぽっちの小惑星がようやったもんだわ。
俺が住んでる田舎市でも7万人居るのに。
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/22(Sat) 11:27:58 ID：5dc5a91ef ★コメ返信★

アクシズネオ・ジオンは、イスラム世界だと、
ティムール帝国カナ？
神聖ローマ皇帝ジギスムントを大敗させ、オスマントルコをアンカラの闘いで一時活動不能させ、あわよくば、明と戦争を！って段階でティムールが突然死して、帝国崩壊みたいな。
ま、グレミーが原因ってだけだとね。

反応:※11
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/22(Sat) 11:31:42 ID：5dc5a91ef ★コメ返信★

※10
あ、ジギスムント大敗はオスマン帝国でした。
でもティムールもハマーンも何か勢いだな。
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/22(Sat) 17:31:45 ID：f9ac673d0 ★コメ返信★

割とマジでハマーンが女性だったのが原因だと思う
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/24(Mon) 22:54:11 ID：8787f08ce ★コメ返信★

※8
シャアジオンは組織が小さすぎたから内紛が起こらなかっただけで
上も下も個人の主張丸出しで噛み合ってなかったから内部分裂の芽はあったと思う
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