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ジェリドってライバルにもなってないしなんだったんだろうな

1: 名無し 2022/07/04 17:56:18

おいジェリド…！

6: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:06:10

歴史を変えた一言

16: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:16:21

転落人生の始まりである

7: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:06:54

ジェリドってカミーユのなんなの？

8: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:07:17

日本で言う光みたいなもんだろ

9: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:07:40

踏み台にもなってねえんだよなあ…

10: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:10:26

ライバルのようでそこまで行けなかった脇役

12: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:12:11

見る前はライバルだと思ってたけど基本的にずっと一蹴されてて何のキャラだったのか本当によくわからなかった

20: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:20:16

ジェリド視点で見ると上司に嵌められてカミーユの親を目の前で殺しちゃって逆恨みされる奴でもある

22: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:22:13

一応後で「親を殺したのは本意ではなかった」みたいなこと言ってなかったっけ？

38: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:34:21

親殺しといて俺は何も知らなかったんだごめんだけならまだしも
親のおっぱいが恋しいガキだもんなぁとか言い出したのは殺されても文句は言えねぇぞジェリド

47: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:39:08

>38
煽り耐性はないくせに煽るのは得意なジェリド本当にひどいよ…

43: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:37:28

>38
いくらティターンズに入って調子に乗ってるからってひどすぎるよね
主人公なら消えないトラウマになる奴だぞ

76: 名無し 2022/07/04 19:06:58

ジェリドって返上するほどの汚名はあるけど挽回するほどの名誉はないよね

78: 名無し 2022/07/04 19:08:56

>76
名有りキャラいっぱい落としてるし…

80: 名無し 2022/07/04 19:10:34

ジェリドは的確な所で邪魔しに来るから結構ライバルやってる

81: 名無し 2022/07/04 19:11:21

>80
なんで羽交い締めばっかやってるんだよこいつ…

40: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:35:02

宇宙はがいじめ道の家元

41: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:35:37

>40
宗家オルバ・フロスト

42: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:37:04

>41
どっちも後ろからサーベルを刺せや

25: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:23:49

「カミーユ！貴様は俺の…！」(ﾎﾞｶｰﾝ
だったけどジェリドの中では何だったんだろうなカミーユ

27: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:25:21

>25
お母さんだ！

26: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:25:19

>25
全てを奪ったって言いたかったらしい

28: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:25:44

>25
「貴様は俺の全てを奪った」
だったと思う

85: 名無し 2022/07/04 19:15:44

>28
最終的に自分の命もちゃんと奪われてるの笑えるよね

30: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:27:16

でもジェリドもだいぶカミーユから奪ってるしおあいこだろ

34: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:30:08

地位と名誉とプライドと戦友と女奪われたくらいで全て気分かよ
情けないヤツ！

39: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:34:45

むしろこいつの実力を考慮すると
周囲の命を吸って生き延びてたとしか思えん
周りに吸える奴誰もいなくなってようやく死んだ宇宙の寄生虫

45: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:39:00

結局邪魔者以上の存在にはならなかったけどこんな死に方嬉しいのかよ！満足なのかよ！誰が喜ぶんだよ！のカミーユ節が最高なので許す

46: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:39:03

二次創作でこいつの人生やり直しネタあるけど何をどうしてもしなくても殴られるの確定なのがひどかった

50: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:40:08

>46
何も言わなくても殴られるのか…

52: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:41:53

>50
ニュータイプ能力で思考盗聴してるからな

61: 名無し 2022/07/04 18:56:23

>52
ニュータイプってクソだな…

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 17:56:43 ID：5d586b652 ★コメ返信★

Zがつまらない理由の8割がこいつのせい
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 17:59:14 ID：f682c9c78 ★コメ返信★

ゲームブックの主役を務めたこともあるというのに
3. 名前:　投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 18:06:58 ID：e435aa4f3 ★コメ返信★

ジェリドはライバルってより疫病神な。親もフォウもこいつのせいで死んだ。しかしきっかけを作ったのはカミーユ。カミーユがキレてエウーゴ参加したことが悲劇の始まり
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 18:17:00 ID：4b1a1e7a3 ★コメ返信★

後半ティターンズ内では小隊長としてチームプレーを重要視して戦果を上げていてた時期もあったんだけどねぇ…所属していた組織自体が問題ありすぎたとはいえ自身の野望と実力が見合ってなかったというか
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 18:21:18 ID：904b2361d ★コメ返信★

結局なにがしたかったのかわからない作品
最初のティターンズとエゥーゴとかいう同じ地球連邦の派閥争いとかいう設定が悪いんだろう
その象徴がカミーユとジェリド
無理矢理脚本に戦わされてるから意味がわからない

反応:※6
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 18:32:44 ID：cdee21723 ★コメ返信★

※5
ファーストのアンチテーゼがテーマくらい普通に見てりゃ分かるが

反応:※24
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 18:42:44 ID：7e069904c ★コメ返信★

それをいいだせばマシュマーやクロニクルだってライバルになりきれなかったし
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 18:43:51 ID：f682c9c78 ★コメ返信★

Ζ終盤は粗大ゴミだからしゃーない
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 18:52:51 ID：4b1a1e7a3 ★コメ返信★

Ζほど当初の構想から外れてその場の思いつきでどんどん変更されていった感があってね…
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 19:15:45 ID：cc0803c26 ★コメ返信★

>記事47
カミーユに「軍人の仕事だもんな、許してやるよ」って返されて逆ギレしちゃうんだもん。
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 19:22:34 ID：410d58b42 ★コメ返信★

汚名挽回という教訓
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 19:24:41 ID：e432ca478 ★コメ返信★

関わった相棒はみんな死ぬ
女を墜とす実力はシロッコやカミーユに次ぐ作中上位

最初からライバルになれない実力が劣る位置づけのキャラだったけどヤザンの登場でさらに小物感が増した気がする

反応:※19
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 19:42:45 ID：4b1a1e7a3 ★コメ返信★

本当はオールドタイプとしての相手側から物語を見る視点を持っていたキャラなんではないか？結局ジャブロー以降一時期フェードアウトしたお陰で物語そのもがちぐはぐになってしまったんではなかろうか？
と思ったりするんだけど
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 19:58:00 ID：f7051ccba ★コメ返信★

軍事施設の前ではしゃぐガキにイラついたからと煽ったのは解るし悪かったとは思う
でもまさかガギが殴りかかった挙句にMS盗んで反政府組織に入るなんて想像出来るわけないだろ！？
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 19:58:30 ID：8ea987918 ★コメ返信★

声優が人気だからころすの伸ばしたからああなったんじゃなかったかな凡人が天才に立ち向かう感がいいじゃない
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 20:06:32 ID：793c7c30f ★コメ返信★

普通に殺し合ったライバルだろ
互いに止めを差し切れず一話から因縁がある相手だぞ
そしてジェリドが居たからこそ何度もティターンズに潜入したカミーユは甥っ子になり生きながらえてる
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 20:08:33 ID：7e95653e6 ★コメ返信★

ロザミアあたりの話カットしてジェリドの描写
増やしてほしかった。
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 20:30:54 ID：b719e33e5 ★コメ返信★

ロザミアは後半マジで必要ない
劇場版後半でカットされて当然だと思う
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 20:45:15 ID：e12d4ede8 ★コメ返信★

※12
関わった部下はみんな死ぬ大尉(元大佐)と大体合ってるのになあ
Z作中では大尉よりモテてるのに…
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 20:58:13 ID：ff49534ff ★コメ返信★

最後のセリフは、やっぱりこれ？
「カミーユ！お前はオレの（疫病神だったな）」ドカーンｗ
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 21:07:12 ID：23391afd7 ★コメ返信★

おそらくジェリドがやり直しするよりカクリコンがやり直しして名前からかった瞬間にカクリコンが殴ってカミーユに丁重に謝ればよかったのでは
22. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 21:57:35 ID：53d1e6d5a ★コメ返信★

当初の予定通りだったかどうかはわからないが、最終的にはジェリドってのはカミーユに人生を狂わされた男って事になるのかな。
主人公が闘いで勝ち続け生き残り続ける裏では当然ながら敵側に多くの悲劇が起こってる。それを具体的に可視化したキャラって感じだったな。

反応:※23
23. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/30(Sat) 23:10:50 ID：fbf020d6d ★コメ返信★

※22
カミーユの人生を狂わせ、カミーユに人生を狂わされた男
24. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/31(Sun) 00:05:10 ID：83d4a811d ★コメ返信★

※6
ゴミコメントはいらんぞクズ
25. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/31(Sun) 11:49:08 ID：3ba112974 ★コメ返信★

どうせ常に負ける立場という意味でアンパンマンにおけるバイキンマンキャラなら
良かったのかも知れないけど、バイキンマンになりきれてないしな取り巻き含めて

反応:※26
26. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/31(Sun) 12:10:21 ID：026d5b62b ★コメ返信★

※25
1stのシャアさんだって割とそういうとこあったしね
27. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/07/31(Sun) 14:41:56 ID：31ecca202 ★コメ返信★

ただ迂闊で調子乗ってるとは言え本人は主義主張の薄い軍人なのでifだと味方になったり仲間になったりしやすい・・・
え、ティターンズは上がクソなだけ？そうだね・・・
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