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    【悲報】Zガンダムのビームライフル、音のせいでめちゃくちゃ弱そう



    1: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:22:00▼このレスに返信

    ペーウ
    6: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:28:27▼このレスに返信
    Zのビームはなんであんな弱そうな音なんだ
    3: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:24:13▼このレスに返信
    音がしょぼいせいで弱そうなイメージあるけど
    他のライフルよりバレルが長くて長射程高威力な高性能ライフルなんだってな…
    25: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:48:08▼このレスに返信
    >3
    よく分かんないバリアに弾かれるし…
    44: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:00:07▼このレスに返信
    >25
    よく分かんないバリアはハイメガだって防ぐし…
    27: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:50:27▼このレスに返信
    お話の都合で威力変わりすぎるぞ
    37: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:56:47▼このレスに返信
    >27
    ガンダムに限らずアニメではよくあること
    7: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:29:21▼このレスに返信
    Z以降あんまり迫力無い音になって
    ビームマグナムで先祖帰りしたらえらく強そうに聞こえた
    14: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:35:18▼このレスに返信
    >7
    えらく強いしな
    15: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:35:19▼このレスに返信
    >7
    これだよこれって威力描写と音だった…
    23: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:47:03▼このレスに返信
    この時代の、っていうかZのMS戦は基本ビームぺちぺちに終始するんでつまんない
    9: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:29:42▼このレスに返信
    そもそもZの戦闘はしょぼいぞ特に宇宙戦は…グチグチ文句言いながら出撃して、ビーム何回か撃ってクワトロとかカミーユが連携しつつティターンズ撤退って何回もしてる
    10: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:32:44▼このレスに返信
    後半はともかく前半中盤はそれなりだったはず…
    13: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:35:08▼このレスに返信
    地上戦はわりと力入ってたよね
    20: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:38:32▼このレスに返信
    格闘戦もあんまりしないから本当にビームを撃ってるだけの後半の宇宙戦…
    16: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:35:33▼このレスに返信
    パイロット技量とかじゃなくて普通に性能差で負けてる描写が多い主役機
    19: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:37:21▼このレスに返信
    宇宙戦は景色が流れないから何か単調なんだよな…
    38: 名無し 2020/10/04 13:57:29▼このレスに返信
    直撃!?と言いながら毎度撤退するイメージ
    57: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:02:50▼このレスに返信
    せっかくカミーユの背後とったのにまず最初にすることが恨み言を言うだけのジェリド
    63: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:03:47▼このレスに返信
    >57
    そこでサーベルで突けば終わりだったろってシーンがたまにある
    181: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:28:15▼このレスに返信
    ペーウ
    ベーウ
    (はがいじめ)
    (援軍)
    (撤退)
    48: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:00:54▼このレスに返信
    技術進歩でお互いに正面から撃ち合ってるだけではなかなか決着が付かないのはリアルっちゃリアルではあるんだけど…
    95: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:10:37▼このレスに返信
    初代はチャンバラ作品みたいなカットや演出あるけどΖはそうでも無かったな
    リアル志向の弊害ってやつか
    110: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:12:43▼このレスに返信
    >95
    いわゆる「見得切り」の演出を戻すのもZZからだね
    変形合体後の有名なZZのポーズとか
    68: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:04:50▼このレスに返信
    Zの反省でZZは接近戦だらけだよ
    序盤のコロニー内ではZのビームライフルなるべく使わせないまでしてるし
    80: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:07:10▼このレスに返信
    ZZの戦闘は味方ピンチ!からの機転か援軍で撃退!が多かった印象
    83: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:07:35▼このレスに返信
    おもちゃ売るアニメだからおもちゃ売れりゃそれでいいんだ
    88: 名無し 2020/10/04 14:08:40▼このレスに返信
    まぁ内容の賛否はさておきZがなきゃ以降シリーズ化しなかった訳だからな…

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 09:20:43 ID:c790a5c0d            ★コメ返信★

        BGM暗い、ストーリー重い、戦闘はショボい、音もショボい
        そりゃウケんわ

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 09:27:33 ID:c7e128908            ★コメ返信★

        ※1
        そりゃ今の目で見たらそうかもしれんけど、当時は受けてたから続編作られて今も続くコンテンツになってるんじゃねーの?

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 09:30:49 ID:0b01203b4            ★コメ返信★

        >記事83

        MSの戦闘描写をちゃんとしないから、当時はあんまりおもちゃ売れなかったんだよ・・・

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 09:44:06 ID:54a7e6d51            ★コメ返信★

        消音機構を備えた重火器がビームライフルみたいな音を出してる動画を思い出した

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 09:52:42 ID:0b01203b4            ★コメ返信★

        珍走のバイクとか見ても分かるように、音がデカければ性能がよいというわけでもないからな。

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 10:55:20 ID:691400759            ★コメ返信★

        ビームの音よりも丸い爆発と低コスト作画のせいじゃない?

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 11:03:41 ID:443b0877b            ★コメ返信★

        最終盤まで軍艦とガンダム位しかビーム撃てなかった一年戦争の頃はコックピット側のコンピューターでグリプス戦役以降よりデカイ音だしてたとかなんすかね?
        宇宙じゃ音聞こえねーだろ的な事もあるし

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 11:17:14 ID:c790a5c0d            ★コメ返信★

        ※2
        当時から全然ウケてなかったよ
        後年になって多少は再評価されたけど

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 11:42:32 ID:70428c7d5            ★コメ返信★

        ※8
        アニメもプラモも落ち目の時代だったからな。作品そのものの問題もあるけど、それだけが不振の原因ではない。
        ファミコンの方に注目が集まってた時代だな。

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 12:27:49 ID:02a4aee72            ★コメ返信★

        ほぼ同時期にやってたレイズナーがブッピガンみたいな90年代ガンダム風なのと対照的にZの効果音は爆発音も含めて何かオモチャっぽいんだよなぁ

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 12:36:02 ID:70428c7d5            ★コメ返信★

        ファースト劇場版の特別編でも効果音変なのに差し替えて不評買うし、富野氏は我々の拘りとはまた異なる、現実には存在しない物が発する音の追求への拘りみたいなのがあるんだろう。

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 12:43:40 ID:8ba195cb1            ★コメ返信★

        ※2
        当時は脱落者だらけだったぞ…富野がNHKの番組でZのこと振り返ってる最中に涙ぐんでるぐらい不振で評価も最低だった
        コンテンツとして再評価されたのは劇場版以降だ

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 12:45:59 ID:9c904b888            ★コメ返信★

        スターウォーズも、Xウイングのビームの音より
        タイファイターのビームの音の方がかっこよくて強そうじゃない?

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 12:56:31 ID:8ba195cb1            ★コメ返信★

        Zはここ20年で人気がガラッと変わったから今の子にゃ昔のZの人気のなさは理解できへんのも無理ないと思う
        F91やターンエーとかも当時は不評だったし富野作品の評価はほんと時代を経て変わるから面白いよな
        20年経ったらGレコも大傑作扱いされても不思議ではない

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 14:36:33 ID:0e62cc698            ★コメ返信★

        ※3
        魅力的な殺陣が無ければブンドドユーザーはプラモを買わないからね。
        仕方ないね。

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 14:56:02 ID:2a534a990            ★コメ返信★

        音だけじゃなくてゲームとかでもZって火力いまひとつなイメージがある

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 19:32:11 ID:865071ac1            ★コメ返信★

        そもそもおハゲの作品がマトモにウケた事ってあったっけってレベル
        まあだからこそ長続きしてるんだろうが…

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 21:39:13 ID:9f3202508            ★コメ返信★

        ※16

        バトオペでは大体が手痛いペーウライフル

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 23:53:16 ID:c790a5c0d            ★コメ返信★

        ※17
        一部のストーリーとか機体デザインとか、部分的に見れば評価点はしっかりある
        ただし色眼鏡なしの総合評価ならお世辞にも良作とは言えないのがガンダム及び富野作品
        Zとかわりとクソアニメに片足突っ込んでる

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/14(Sun) 02:02:21 ID:7f9693111            ★コメ返信★

        Ζのビームライフルですけど、ビシューンなんて音出さないよ
        ビームライフル戦時の音は
        「ペーウ」
        これを互いが連呼し合う
        交互にやりとりしていくにつれてどんどん伸びる&後部が高音になっていく
        こんな感じ
        A「ペーウ」
        B「ペーウ」
        A「ペーーウ」
        B「ペーウ」
        A「ペーーーウ!」
        B「ペーーウ!」
        A「ペーーーーーーーーウ!!!!!!」
        B「ペーーーーーーーウ!!!!!」
        A&B「ギャフベロハギャベバブジョハバ」

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/14(Sun) 02:22:27 ID:ffddf0cbb            ★コメ返信★

        猫の鳴き真似かよ、と思って画面スクロールしたら本当に猫だった

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/04/19(Mon) 17:53:43 ID:816096c9e            ★コメ返信★

        ※10
        レイズナーはガンダム風ではなくそのものだよ効果音担当している人ファーストの人だし

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/05/20(Thu) 20:30:46 ID:69704ff28            ★コメ返信★

        「ペーウ」(半角)か
        秀逸な擬音だ

        Ζと百式のは、薄っぺらくて細くて
        音も弱そうなんだよなあ
        劇中の威力がとりわけ弱いとかいうわけじゃないんだけど
        さりとて強いわけでもなくwww

      24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/10/28(Thu) 01:30:48 ID:def8947dc            ★コメ返信★

         フィズサウンドの関わらないガンダムのSEはしょぼ過ぎて感情移入できかったな。
         0083を観た時聴いたときの感動は今でも忘れられない。
         「ついにあの音が戻ってきたか!」ってね。だから00や鉄オルには殆ど入れ込めなかったよ。

      25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/11/14(Sun) 17:49:37 ID:73b285583            ★コメ返信★

        確かにファーストガンダムの「ボピューン」の方が重粒子な感じがして強そう

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