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安彦「ガンダムオリジンでジオンの選民思想のいかがわきさを描いた」

1: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:12:39▼このレスに返信

安彦良和さん

2: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:13:58▼このレスに返信

オリジンのほうが選民思想煮詰まってるよね

5: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:14:55▼このレスに返信

>2
いかがわしさを書いたからってことでしょ

139: 名無し 2021/11/30 12:02:05▼このレスに返信

>5
ダイクンさんはまさにそれだけどカウンターが無いに等しいというか
安彦漫画は主人公が挫折しておわってなんぼだけどもザビ家も連邦もクズ揃いすぎてちょっと胸焼けする

3: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:14:24▼このレスに返信

学生運動ガチ勢は言うことが違うな

9: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:16:32▼このレスに返信

オリジンは突然セイラさんを担いで革命しちゃうんだっけ

14: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:19:04▼このレスに返信

20: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:20:46▼このレスに返信

>9
その上でそれは失敗してセイラさんも戦後ダイクンの娘としての形では表に出てこなくなったあたりに
そういう思いを込めてるのでは

10: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:16:39▼このレスに返信

正直な所
スレ画みたいな意図はオリジンを読んでも全く把握できません＞＜

12: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:18:06▼このレスに返信

当の富野もニュータイプ思想にとらわれて雁字搦めになった末にF91以降は手を引いてた

55: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:34:54▼このレスに返信

>12
VのこのシーンはNTにできることは戦いだけじゃないって感じがして好き

15: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:19:04▼このレスに返信

早くZガンダムオリジン描いて役目でしょ

24: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:22:00▼このレスに返信

>15
カミーユをどう描くのか見たい

16: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:19:28▼このレスに返信

ジオンダイクンが結構変な人だったってのは割と強調して描かれていたと思うよ
そしてそれじゃ立ち行かないなから結局ザビ家になったという流れ

252: 名無し 2021/11/30 12:47:08▼このレスに返信

>16
文人が革命家になるのはパトリック・ピアースを意識してるのかなと思いながら読んだ

22: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:21:34▼このレスに返信

オリジンはシャアをずいぶん腹黒キャラにしてるなと思ったらそういう事だったのか

26: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:22:38▼このレスに返信

ア・バオア・クーで最終決戦してる最中に革命だから
わりとどうしようない兵士ばっかなんだよな

28: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:23:45▼このレスに返信

>26
宮城事件みたいなもんやな

27: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:23:39▼このレスに返信

「左翼思想」というよりも「社会運動」という視点では結構描かれてると思うよ

32: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:25:44▼このレスに返信

割とああいう運動の実態をそれらしく描いてると思うよ
ハモンさんが好きでそれだからホワイトベース討伐に付き合った青年士官がいたけど
学生運動とかもああいうノリは少なからずあったみたい
好きな男が運動してた好きな女が運動してた　だから理屈は結局どうでもいいが参加！　みたいな

83: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:43:23▼このレスに返信

>32
それどころかデモ行進の後ろのほうは食券やデモ終了後の食事の約束で釣られたのが大多数

35: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:26:00▼このレスに返信

アバオアクーでいきなり頭ダイクン派が大暴れするのはちょっと面白かった
アニメなら出来なかっただろうなって思うのとアニメ終盤にやっさんが関わってなくてよかったって思うのとで半々

39: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:28:21▼このレスに返信

>35
あそこは描写がもうギャグだしな

41: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:29:15▼このレスに返信

このへんやりたかったんだろなってのはわかる

47: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:32:19▼このレスに返信

>41
ここらへんは安彦良和さんの意見をアムロに代弁させてるんだろうなと言うのはわかる

64: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:37:49▼このレスに返信

流石にダイクンが学生運動のノリなのは笑った

69: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:38:39▼このレスに返信

>64
何でもかんでも学生運動がベースになってんのはどうかなと思うとこはある

72: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:39:47▼このレスに返信

>69
軍事的にMS開発もしてもらわんといかんからな

73: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:40:07▼このレスに返信

学生運動とか授業でもタブーだからかやらんし全然知らんかったけど
だいたいアニメで存在を知って調べた世代だな俺…

76: 名無し 2021/11/30 11:41:18▼このレスに返信

>73
当事者の黒歴史なのかドキュメンタリーでもほとんど振り返らないね

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 16:35:53 ID：fe0e21908 ★コメ返信★

学生運動で思い出したのが「隼人の校しゃ」でした
まぁアレは八割がたテロだったけど
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 16:45:41 ID：8d162e890 ★コメ返信★

結構、テロってそうゆうノリだよ、発展途上国とかだとリーダー以外は金くれるからアルバイト感覚で参加とか有るし
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 17:05:12 ID：2caca6ce9 ★コメ返信★

本来の学生運動って、安保反対からの派生で保守がやってたんだよな・・・
いつの間にかアカの代名詞になり、ついでに軍事的自立を唱えてた奴らが政治の場から追い出されて今も民族的保守不在の政治がある。
当時、レッド・パージや赤狩りが労働闘争に向かって労働者権利そのものがアカの主張扱いされたり、まあ歴史ってのはお上が都合よく作る・・・

反応:※6
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 17:23:26 ID：99b9460d3 ★コメ返信★

ジオンて如何わきいよな。
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 19:09:40 ID：c00cab949 ★コメ返信★

選民思想がどうのなんて、富野由悠季も描くつもりなかったと思うけどな
単に悪役の理由付けにしただけで
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 19:29:17 ID：cb25389dd ★コメ返信★

※3
違う
共産党に乗っ取られたんだよ
デモ参加者に配る食券の金がどこから出てたと思う？
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 19:33:56 ID：cb25389dd ★コメ返信★

結局安彦は何を描いても学生運動になっちゃうのがなあ…
SF描いても歴史描いてもガンダム描いても最後は学生運動って…
他に表現方法無いんかいw
学生運動やり過ぎて大学クビになった恨みかな？
青春の黒歴史を否定できなきゃこのまま評価されないぞ

反応:※8 ※10
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 19:55:15 ID：1ee18aeee ★コメ返信★

※7
いやそれでいいんだよ
それが作家性だ
それが自分の経験を作品のベースにするってことだ

別に安彦しか漫画家が存在しないわけじゃないんだ
そういうのとは違う作品が読みたいなら安彦以外の作品を読めばいいだけ
何で安彦に安彦以外の作家性を求めるんだよ
お前はアホか

反応:※15
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 20:13:23 ID：48651eba6 ★コメ返信★

>記事28
どちらかと言うと
戦艦プリンツレゲント・ルイトポルトの
反乱じゃないのか？
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 21:17:49 ID：ef720b466 ★コメ返信★

※7
本来言うなら学生として純粋に怒った日大の方だと思うけどな
安保とか政治的云々はロクデナシ法政の方

反応:※11
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 21:18:39 ID：ef720b466 ★コメ返信★

※10
ゴメン３への返しだった
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 21:48:07 ID：a7b2c4994 ★コメ返信★

取り敢えず要注意なのは
フェミ
ポリコレ
SDGs
この胡散臭い三勢力。民間人のクレーマー団体程度に甘く見てるといずれ酷い事態になるから、これらには妥協しない方が良い。
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/30(Tue) 23:52:56 ID：7bd84c58b ★コメ返信★

SDGSのゴリ押しホント気色悪い
あと家畜のQOLとかいうやつ
結局食っちゃうのにQOLなんて偽善にもほどがあるだろ
そのために非効率なことして結局環境負荷と飼育者の負担増やしてんじゃん
あとに別の目的が控えてるのミエミエ
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/01(Wed) 04:50:47 ID：e4afa1250 ★コメ返信★

丸の内のサラリーマンが「大学生のボンボンがビール奢ってくれるから帰りに行進してこうぜ！」
…みたいな話は聞いたことある
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/01(Wed) 06:08:44 ID：c80cba994 ★コメ返信★

※8
オリジンあんなにされて怒ってるだけなんだけど…
ガンダムを学生運動にするなよ！
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/01(Wed) 08:15:09 ID：bc856ece2 ★コメ返信★

ガンダム漫画なんて、読む人の7割がロボットにしか興味のないバンダイの上得意さんだ。
そういう解釈は、氷川竜介とか皆川ゆかとかにやらせときゃええ。
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/02(Thu) 08:31:08 ID：4e5f2a61d ★コメ返信★

ドロス無双に怒っている人はいないのか?
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 15:58:48 ID：e8bfcf7ee ★コメ返信★

自分の主張をガンダムにねじ込むなと言いたいが
所詮は同人誌なんだから好きしていいわ、作品としてもつまらんから叩くのも可哀想だし
本物は富野だけだしな
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/23(Thu) 08:56:40 ID：48aeb5cdd ★コメ返信★

左翼思想に創作性の端を発したのに、自省的に行為を観測出来るのは人間性が白か黒かの人間未満のゴミとは全然違うという事だな。
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/01/21(Fri) 17:21:44 ID：e30a74e76 ★コメ返信★

自覚してるのかなしていないのか、
そういう安彦良和氏自身は極左反日思考っていうね
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/03/15(Tue) 23:38:21 ID：0e77913d7 ★コメ返信★

日本が革命起こってない珍しい国ってだけで、市民革命や独立運動は世界中で起こって来たんだがなあ。オリジンにおけるジオンは地球連邦による植民地支配からの独立運動を描いているのであって、別に安彦氏の思想とは関係なく普遍的なもの。途上国行けばいくらでも日本の学生運動みたいな独立運動の歴史とその記念碑があるので調べてみな。
安彦＝学生運動って色眼鏡でコメント投稿してる奴多過ぎ。社会運動に関しては日本は経験無さ過ぎて、世界の常識からズレてるってのは注意しておいた方がいい。
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>記事27
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