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    【種死】シンがアスランの言うことを信じてザフトを裏切るシナリオってあったりしないの?



    1: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:12:34▼このレスに返信

    シンがアスランの言うことを信じてザフトを裏切りヴィクトリー!ってシナリオはないんですか
    2: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:14:46▼このレスに返信
    子どもの頃考えたことはあった
    でもアスラン信じる方が無理がある
    6: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:22:37▼このレスに返信
    CV石田を信じろというのが無理
    7: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:23:01▼このレスに返信
    シン視点のアスランって議長に認められて新型受けとるタイミングでメイリン連れて脱走だぞ完全に錯乱している
    10: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:24:24▼このレスに返信
    アスランを信じた人が作中でどんだけ振り回されたか考えるとシンの対応はごく一般的なものだったとしか…
    11: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:27:16▼このレスに返信
    シンがクソほど面倒くさいガキなのもそうだしレイ主導による議長の操り人形コースを回避するのが困難なのもそうだけど
    それはそれとしてアスランもアスランでかなり信用しろと言うには難しいムーブしてる…
    17: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:29:58▼このレスに返信
    レイよりアスランを信用できる要素がシン視点で見るとゼロなのがな
    18: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:31:09▼このレスに返信
    シンの視点だとアスランについていってもそれはそれで問題しかない
    というかアスランの面の皮が厚い
    20: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:32:00▼このレスに返信
    ローエングリン以降はアスランがあんま活躍してないのもシンから信頼されない理由になってそう
    一方でレイはフリーダム撃墜のために色々と手伝ってくれたし
    22: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:32:11▼このレスに返信
    レイもレイでシンを大切に思ってるのは本当だからな…
    3: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:17:56▼このレスに返信
    レイの呪縛力強すぎない?
    5: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:21:00▼このレスに返信
    アスランがギルを信じてればまだ丸く収まってた可能性は高い
    24: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:32:57▼このレスに返信
    シンがザフトを辞める理由がなさすぎる
    26: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:33:59▼このレスに返信
    シンがザフト裏切るのってステラが生きてた場合のみだと思う
    30: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:34:56▼このレスに返信
    スパロボZくらいに今は全世界や宇宙規模で利益とか関係なく動かないとってレベルじゃないとザフトから離れないよな
    73: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:45:37▼このレスに返信
    議長の問題点がわかってかつ大天使組のおかげでステラが助かるくらいないと無理だと思う
    78: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:46:07▼このレスに返信
    >73
    ステラが死んだ時点でもうシンがAA側につくの無理だよね…
    31: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:35:27▼このレスに返信
    AA側の思想につく理由もないし
    議長側なら一応管理社会であっても戦争ないならマシだろってなるかもだけど
    48: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:40:57▼このレスに返信
    シンが離反してたらアスラン以上にどの面下げてミネルバ撃ってるんだよってなるから…
    53: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:41:54▼このレスに返信
    アスランを信じたのがメイリンなんだけどぶっちゃけかなりぶっ飛んだ行動だよねあれ
    60: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:43:07▼このレスに返信
    >53
    未だになんでメイリンはあそこまで思い切れたの?って考えに答えが出ない…
    密かに好きだった人がなんかヤバいことになってるからってライブ感としか思えない
    62: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:43:53▼このレスに返信
    >60
    その辺は案外リアルと言えなくもない
    23: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:32:26▼このレスに返信
    同期や身寄りのない自分を拾ってくれた組織を裏切ってもシンはその後の人生地獄だろ
    27: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:34:11▼このレスに返信
    >23
    仮にAAに行ってもアスランとメイリンぐらいしか知り合いいないのは気まずそう…
    29: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:34:47▼このレスに返信
    >27
    なんならフリーダム撃墜した張本人だしなぁ…
    37: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:37:47▼このレスに返信
    シンに関してはもう少しキラと生身で因縁作っておくべきだったんじゃないかな……
    折角の主人公同士だったのに…
    41: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:38:43▼このレスに返信
    >37
    何ていうか微妙に接点がないからな…
    45: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:39:43▼このレスに返信
    >41
    マジでキラがシンの家族を殺してたら因縁しかないけど別にそうじゃないのがな…
    46: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:40:09▼このレスに返信
    >45
    戦闘中の流れ弾だからなあ…
    52: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:41:39▼このレスに返信
    >45
    なんだったんだあの描写は…
    38: 名無し 2022/05/01 18:38:17▼このレスに返信
    つくづく周りに恵まれなかった主人公だと思う

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/01(Sun) 22:00:25 ID:230862325            ★コメ返信★

        >記事45
        シンがフリーダムを憎んでるのって、家族が死ぬ原因になったエクステンド組も死んでるから恨む対象がフリーダムしかいなかったからじゃないの?

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/01(Sun) 22:07:10 ID:33bda0afe            ★コメ返信★

        アスランさんの行動は神視点視聴者ですらちょっとうーん・・・なのに
        あの場面のやりとりのみで付いてったらただのサイコパスかザフトのスパイだろw

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/01(Sun) 22:07:59 ID:88c8ea213            ★コメ返信★

        尊敬してる社長からボーナスを貰ったタイミングで前々からクソコテで気に入らなかった上司が女を連れて離反、なんでそんな事をするんだと問い詰めてもマトモな回答もせずこのまま見逃せと言い張る
        そりゃあレイじゃなくても錯乱してるって言うし、シンじゃなくても裏切者として処分しますよ・・・

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/01(Sun) 22:33:44 ID:3e6733f3d            ★コメ返信★

        シンはクソガキ!

        ↑こいつアスランだろ

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/01(Sun) 23:29:23 ID:6e20ec69d            ★コメ返信★

        シン視点というか世界視点からでは議長もあの時点ではそう変なことは言ってないし、アスランもあの時点ではグダグダな行動の方が多いし、あの時点で裏切るって言うと、もう2週目とかそんな感じでしかありえないな・・・まあ2週目ならもっと違う行動とるか(笑)

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/01(Sun) 23:40:40 ID:90a31a9b0            ★コメ返信★

        選択肢と呼べるものがないし、シンは能力だけじゃなく境遇を見ても手駒としては優秀だな

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 00:02:26 ID:fdd914b62            ★コメ返信★

        むしろアスランがザフトに残ってシンが議長の聞いてはいけない話系を聞いてしまって味方を手にかけてしまって追われる展開の方が良いような気がする。

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 00:29:48 ID:5688c23ee            ★コメ返信★

        下手にアスランといっしょにAAに合流したら元ネオロアノークと鉢合わせしてそれはそれで修羅場になるからやめた方がいい

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 00:47:25 ID:738168b01            ★コメ返信★

        アスランが実力を示した上でシンの先輩として上手く会話のキャッチボールしていたとしても、
        友人のレイがいてその先を考えている議長側に残りそうなイメージ

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 02:30:40 ID:f999ca01e            ★コメ返信★

        なんならレイがいなくてもついて行くパターンはないな。
        グフ対デスティニーならどうあがいても勝ち目は無いし、アスランの信用度ではせいぜい見逃してやるぐらいが限界。

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 04:55:08 ID:a2cf6e879            ★コメ返信★

        >記事5
        アスラン視点の議長は偽ラクスの時点でもう灰色だもの…
        その後は真黒だし信じろとか無理過ぎ

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 07:58:17 ID:e144d5ef2            ★コメ返信★

        軍のステラの扱いに疑問を持って、そのタイミングでアスランが脱走してたらそのルートもあったかもなんて思った
        それでも前にもうすこしアスランがいいところ見せてないとな

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 09:09:56 ID:17451ebf9            ★コメ返信★

        ※1
        シンが恨んでたのは戦争行為そのものだったり家族を守ってくれなかったオーブ。
        フリーダムを憎悪し出したのは戦闘介入やステラ死亡がきっかけ

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 09:19:30 ID:2691f85f8            ★コメ返信★

        そう考えると文字通りシンは運命から逃れられなかったんだな

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 10:17:14 ID:c1f60a3bd            ★コメ返信★

        気分で国をコロコロ裏切るアスランが異常
        それも2回もw
        暗殺されるぞ普通

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 12:43:49 ID:55798a22a            ★コメ返信★

        シャアがハマーンの誘いにのってアクシズに付いてもカミーユはノコノコ付いていかんだろう。

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 13:33:01 ID:e3c187e84            ★コメ返信★

        議長の言ってることはステラを兵士として使うことを肯定することだぞ的なことで説得すればイケるんじゃない?

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 13:53:29 ID:2691f85f8            ★コメ返信★

        そもそもステラのことをちゃんと話せるくらいシンと交流持ってたかっていうと……うん……

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 14:00:22 ID:c1f60a3bd            ★コメ返信★

        ※17
        アスランはいつも説得なんかしないから・・・

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 15:32:55 ID:526c12b5e            ★コメ返信★

        まず脱走する時にグフに乗る前にレイをMS乗れないくらい怪我させるか射殺して
        シンが一人で追ってくる状態にしないとレイが邪魔で会話にならないのが問題
        でもそれ以前にシンを納得させられるような話術も話題も持ち合わせてないのが最大の問題
        何よりアスランじゃ口下手過ぎて何やっても何知ってても無理な印象しかないんだよなぁ
        オーブ戦で撤退させず捕まえて説得はキラ達に丸投げすれば離反ワンチャンあるか?レベル

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 15:38:00 ID:1039387cd            ★コメ返信★

        アスランは仕事は多少指示するが基本見て学べ。プライベートは尊重するから基本非介入って上司だからな。コミュ不足がデフォすぎる

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 19:12:22 ID:90c605602            ★コメ返信★

        ※15
        だから用済みになったら暗殺されそうになった
        でも速攻で察知してシャワー中のオペ子を攫った上
        グフを盗んで逃亡する錯乱がおかしいだけだわ…

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/02(Mon) 20:35:00 ID:f6c422ea1            ★コメ返信★

        一緒に軍抜けするなら上司部下じゃなくて目的のための同志の関係になってないとね

      24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/03(Tue) 06:11:22 ID:8be72fb37            ★コメ返信★

        アスランを信じたメイリンが信じられないってのも分かるけど、それ以上に意味不明なネオを信じたシンって言うのがその前にいるからな
        たかが現場指揮官と敵軍のパイロット風情が、貴重な実験体を助けた上で戦闘に参加させないとか約束できるわけないじゃん
        まあ同じFAITH同士だからってパイロットと艦長が同格みたいになってる時点でザフトの階級の認識がガバガバなんだろうって話なんだけどさ

      25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/04(Wed) 08:58:22 ID:b83fc48b2            ★コメ返信★

        シンをAAに行かせるには、最初の襲撃のときに、野次馬ジェスがミネルバに乗って相談役になっていれば議長の考えとか歪みとか理解できたかもしれない。

      26. 26. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/20(Fri) 08:58:35 ID:c46ac8410            ★コメ返信★

        脚本に辛辣なことを書くと、一番信用のないキラ、ラクスを善に描写するためのシン、アスラン貶めにしか見えない。

        客観的にみて、両澤氏は同人(ヤオイ?)上がりだけあって場面場面だけ観るとなかなか面白いんだが、俯瞰で観ると物語の前後が繋がらなくて困惑してしまうんだよな。

      27. 27. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/25(Wed) 21:06:27 ID:18cf46b87            ★コメ返信★

        >記事6
        CV石田でもアスランは胡散臭くないだろ

      28. 28. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/25(Wed) 21:09:50 ID:18cf46b87            ★コメ返信★

        シンのアスランへの好感度高いからな
        だからレイとアスランの板挟みで曇る

        アスランをそこまで好きじゃなかったら必死で説得しようとはしないし

      29. 29. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/08/12(Fri) 10:22:54 ID:4678b2694            ★コメ返信★

        ※11
        よく考えたらアスランはラクスが暗殺されそうになった話も聞いているわけでキラ達のザフトに組しない心境もわかるから敵じゃない発言が出るし自分を暗殺しようとするのも理解できるわ。
        アスラン視点では議長は自分にとっては極悪だけどシンにとっては不都合でもないから信用の差で説得できるかと言うと難しい。

        ルナマリアが偽ラクスの事を知って後々何かあるかなと思ってたけど特に何もなかったな。

        メイリンに関しては実際に追われているのを見ておかしいと思えるぐらいアスランに関する好感度があったというか議長に対する信用がなかったんじゃねとは思う。
        ブリッジ組だから操作役のレイとは多少距離あるしタリアとの関係の不信感、アスランとミーアの違和感とか感じてた可能性がある。

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