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三大ガンダムで説明がつかない要素「人型であること」「ガンダムの口の赤い突起」



1: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:03:08.38 ID:Peoo8mOb0.net
あとひとつは？
2: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:03:35.96 ID:4d/U1N7d0.net
サイコフレーム定期
3: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:03:49.10 ID:zYqLlPhR0.net
頭部バルカンの弾丸格納場所
4: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:05:05.10 ID:APQVHaif0.net
ランドセル
5: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:06:22.08 ID:8zgVyV5s0.net
目視で避けられるスピードでとんでくるビーム
25: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:21:12.34 ID:e7Aln9RQ0.net
>>5
粒子砲であってレーザー光線ではないからな
26: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:23:21.70 ID:TA55UMT/a.net
光速よりは遅いんやろうけど言うほど荷電粒子砲避けれるか？
27: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:24:16.46 ID:LO3vaFff0.net
>>26
メガ粒子砲は可変速やからな
遅いもんもある
16: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:10:50.19 0.net
人型である理由は
手足を振って反動で旋回することで宇宙空間で推進剤節約できるから
みたいなのがあったはずやで

地上で人型である理由？
知らんな

7: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:07:11.34 ID:9D6pH8xx0.net
ミノフスキー粒子のせいでレーザー使った射撃出来ないから近距離戦するために人型にしたとかじゃなかった？
それでも納得のいかない設定だけど
19: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:15:49.20 ID:iHZnM1ocH.net
｢人型｣｢合体｣｢兵装｣はバンダイ案件だからな
21: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:17:01.43 ID:sCmnOomAa.net
人型のまま単独で空を飛べる
6: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:07:02.47 ID:Mk945zLvd.net
大気圏突入耐火シート
8: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:07:29.42 ID:5mbDenIU0.net
ミノフスキー粒子で全て解決
9: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:08:08.88 ID:Qnwpgp+s0.net
>>8
魔法の粒子すぎるわミノフスキー
なんでも出来るやんけ
10: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:08:13.82 ID:WHSUwFr10.net
MSで戦闘中に敵と会話
13: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:09:01.55 ID:sRSHdaVm0.net
>>10
これ
17: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:11:24.95 ID:SmcIpYzs0.net
>>10
草
23: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:20:21.55 ID:bd3zrNCN0.net
>>10
会話してるようで会話してないんやで
NT同士出ない限り独り言や
11: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:08:41.61 ID:/h2ZkjWt0.net
腰の黄色いパーツ
ヘリウムコアってなんだよ
12: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:08:56.85 ID:AbogLg4/0.net
ジOが止まる原理
18: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:11:33.85 ID:0GSLsvly0.net
>>12
バイオセンサーのせい
14: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:09:32.54 ID:SKUxrdfb0.net
ふくらはぎの膨らみ
15: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:10:38.41 ID:iHZnM1ocH.net
戦艦の窓
22: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:18:28.13 ID:3FWi62vP0.net
無限湧きするジオン残党
貧乏設定なのに兵器を作りまくるジオン残党
24: 風吹けば名無し 2021/05/04(火) 06:20:58.07 ID:zYqLlPhR0.net
>>22
半分アナハイムの別働隊みたいなもんや
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  1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 03:13:39 ID：fb54f42a3            ★コメ返信★

    それまでのロボットアニメでは「戦闘用メカが何故人型か？」という説明は全然なかった。
    ガンダムで初めて人型の理由が語られた…が、その説明も納得できるものではなかった。
    おそらく現実では巨大人型戦闘兵器は作られることはないだろう…
    だからこそ巨大ロボ兵器はロマンであり、ツッコミは野暮というものだろう。

  2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 03:36:00 ID：3cc4c40c7            ★コメ返信★

    曳光弾の動画を見たら、秒速1000m/s以上とは言え、意外と遅く見えたし、軌跡が長く光るビームならそんなに速くは見えないのかも知れない。

    反応:※12
  3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 03:52:18 ID：a69051a67            ★コメ返信★

    人型については「人型にすることで操縦が感覚的にわかりやすくなる」という「鉄拳(格ゲー)方式」を唱えてみる

  4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 03:54:03 ID：8cfde6a13            ★コメ返信★

    ランバ・ラルの昔からコンピューター計算で避けてるんですが…

  5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 04:03:02 ID：7d9430cd7            ★コメ返信★

    他のMSは後継でさっさと名前も姿も変わる、時には消えるのに頑なに守り続けられる｢ガンダム｣の名と特徴
    グリプスでボロクソになったから勝利の象徴でもないだろうに

  6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 04:37:30 ID：aa6842440            ★コメ返信★

    無線が使えない設定のためとはいえ、MSの手で他のMSのボディにタッチするだけで通信できる謎の機構
    かと思えば戦闘中に敵味方で普通に会話してたり

  7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 05:43:35 ID：29d255dcb            ★コメ返信★

    人型でも空を飛べるは
    最近アイアンマンみたいに羽もなく飛ぶスーツが開発されてるし
    人型では飛べないって定説は崩れたな

    反応:※8
  8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 06:36:08 ID：1df48a829            ★コメ返信★

    ※7
    滑空できるスーツは腕の所に被膜があるし、ジェットで飛ぶのは翼を背負ってる
    下向きにロケット噴射して飛ぶヤツなら何十年も前からあるけど
    俺の知らない新型があるのか？

  9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 06:44:01 ID：db479c45d            ★コメ返信★

    0083では敵味方で通信機の周波数合わせろみたいなやり取りの後会話してた気がする

  10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 06:55:38 ID：eedb214b1            ★コメ返信★

    こういうケチ付けるまとめホントつまんない

  11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 08:03:03 ID：2b9a7693b            ★コメ返信★

    作中で意図的に説明つかない物として出してるもんは違うだろ。
    個人的には下が隙だらけの宇宙戦艦。

  12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 09:50:00 ID：cae4b543a            ★コメ返信★

    ※2
    間に見えない弾丸が有るから見た目程避け易くないけどな

  13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 11:14:30 ID：b6ff87895            ★コメ返信★

    いっそゲームでキングギドラでも戦わせたらいいんだ、相手が強いから何が問題か分かるだろ

  14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 11:16:39 ID：9c21fd08e            ★コメ返信★

    カッコイイからだ!

  15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 11:17:21 ID：875832a0b            ★コメ返信★

    頭部バルカン砲が異様に弱いこと。
    60mmてバケモンやないか

    反応:※18
  16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 11:25:42 ID：dbdbd1926            ★コメ返信★

    なんでこんなことを問い詰めたいのか知らんが
    バカなのかな？

    ちなみになんで人型なのかの説明は
    「ＭＳ」→「機動装甲服」だからだよ
    も・び・る・す・ー・つ
    言葉で説明してるじゃん
    それすらわからないの？
    人が着て戦う装甲服、もともと人型であることが前提の
    人としての機能を拡張するための汎用装置

    「乗ってるじゃん」「デカすぎ」
    そうだよな、乗ってるし、実際大きいよ
    だがな当時のアニメのロボットは３０ｍ～２００ｍっていう、
    バカみたいな大きさだったんだよ
    それにくらべて１８ｍという大きさは、リアルに戦闘機サイズで
    十分に「小さいロボット」だったんだよ
    そういう背景も知らずに、否定ばかりしてて面白いか？

    そもそも人型であることに疑問を持ったり否定するなら、
    ロボットアニメなんかとっとと卒業しちまえよバカ

  17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 12:51:33 ID：5800086ca            ★コメ返信★

    人型であることの意義をを否定するのと、それはそれとしてエンタメとして楽しむのは別の話だなぁ
    どんだけ理屈こねくり回してもボロしか出ないんだから、細けえこたいいんだよ、で済ませていいと思う

    ビーム避けてるのはただの演出でいいと思う

  18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 13:11:16 ID：6c8bb8457            ★コメ返信★

    ※15
    頭部バルカンでザクやギラドーガを瞬殺してますが

  19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 13:30:50 ID：907238a88            ★コメ返信★

    ザビ家のセンス

    反応:※20
  20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 13:54:33 ID：ffaae6259            ★コメ返信★

    ※19
    ☓デギンのドリームハウス
    ◎独裁者感溢れるギレンのコーディネート
    ◎ドズルが開発主導したザク
    ☓紫ババア
    △おかっぱの末っ子感

    ○設計時からなぜかⅡありきっぽい旧ザク
    ◎ジオン水泳部
    ○ドムのドム感
    ☓ゲルググ

    全体としてはそれほど悪くないが。

  21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 15:24:50 ID：8bc4c1e7d            ★コメ返信★

    誰か赤い突起の説明しろ定期

    反応:※22
  22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 17:40:55 ID：68a6562f6            ★コメ返信★

    >>21
    あれは収音マイクの設定あったろ。

    あの部分「口」って思ってる層が一定数いるみたいだが、バランス的にみたら
    どう見ても「顎」だろ、F91のフェイスオープン時が正解。

  23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 17:56:31 ID：68a6562f6            ★コメ返信★

    なんでMSが人型なのかは、元来宇宙空間用作業機からの発展だし、
    圧倒的数量の連邦の艦船に対抗する方法として、ミノフスキー粒子を使って
    有視界戦闘に持ち込んで、弾薬が切れても艦艇に取り付いて破壊出来るから。

    ヒートホークなんか完全にその為の兵器だしな。

  24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 19:41:36 ID：cf73199b3            ★コメ返信★

    >記事26
    視聴者は神視点の完成されたニュータイプということで。

  25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/05(Wed) 23:12:03 ID：e802d5371            ★コメ返信★

    整備も大変だしなんなら打たれ弱いのに、それでも人型が最強なのは
    戦闘時に咄嗟の判断で取れる戦術の幅の広さが、戦車等のそれとは比べ物にならないから

    と、ガンパレという昔のロボ作品で言及されてたな
    人間がどこででも戦えるのは、地形を利用したり落ちてるものを武器にしたり、この形が戦術を駆使するのに特化してるからだと

    反応:※26
  26. 26. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/06(Thu) 05:08:34 ID：55731d697            ★コメ返信★

    ※25
    それ言い出すとサイズ感がな。
    ガンパレの士魂号は9m。
    ガンダムは倍の18m。
    士魂号なら鉄パイプでも瓦礫でも武器になるし、普通の住宅街でも掩蔽・埋伏できるけど、ガンダムサイズだとビル街くらいじゃないと。
    デカすぎて選択肢の幅が失われると思う。

    反応:※28
  27. 27. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/06(Thu) 22:50:28 ID：4eb236e9b            ★コメ返信★

    なんでウィングゼロの姿が作品の度に過去改変されるのか？

  28. 28. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/05/08(Sat) 00:15:17 ID：445548a58            ★コメ返信★

    ※26
    サイズ感とかどうでもいい、あの世界には、MSだろうと戦艦だろうと、隠れる所はゴロゴロあるんだから、言い出したら切りがない。
    ガルマ特攻を思い出せ、木馬が隠れれるドームなんてものがある世界だぞ？その上で空から見ても発見出来ないんだから・・・

  29. 29. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/10/10(Sun) 11:44:11 ID：c6ed23627            ★コメ返信★

    え～？まだこの「人型否定バカ」いるんだ

    あのな？お前はいったい「『何』を見て」この問題を一々挙げてるんだ？
    「ロボットアニメ」だよな？
    ロボットアニメが人型ロボットで成り立ってるのは、
    基本ターゲットの男子がもつ「変身願望・力の誇示・暴力衝動・巨大化願望・父性への憧憬」
    そうしたことのメタファーだよ　人型であることで動きが想像しやすく感情移入しやすい
    別にガンダムに限らず、人型ロボットがどうしても受け入れられないのなら
    ロボットアニメなんか見るなって話
    ガンダムに限って言えば「人型兵器が成立した世界」が答えだよ　それが大前提でありルール
    ゲームを楽しむためにはルールが必要
    そのルールを否定したところでお前が楽しんでないだけって話
    それが当たり前の世界なんだから、こっちの世界の理屈を押し付けたところで意味はない

    これが理解できないのなら、お前は屁理屈や否定でしか人と話せないコミュ障って事だよ

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