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ガンダムの18ｍってサイズはやっぱデカく設定しすぎたよな

1: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:08:42

F91で小さくなる理由もわからんでもない

3: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:11:02

小型にしたらプラモデル作るのに苦労する

4: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:12:40

F91の大きさ商品展開には半端な大きさ過ぎてアナザー含めてだんだん元に戻したけどな

5: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:13:35

ちょっとかがめば家に隠れられるって時点でぶっちゃけもうちょい大きくてもいいと思う

11: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:17:30

サイズ小さくなって強くなりました！は巨大ロボットモノ的に唆られる要素ないよな…

12: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:19:25

プラモに関しては別に1/144だの1/100だのに縛られなければ良いだけではなかろうか

14: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:19:58

>12
それやっちゃうと同じ縮尺で並べる楽しみが無い

20: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:23:24

>14
最初のガンダムがでかすぎたから1/144にしちゃった訳で
最初から小さけりゃ大きい縮尺で揃えられるよ

24: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:26:35

144ならNゲージのストラクチャ使えるので都合がいいのでは？

27: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:28:03

>24
つうか1/144はまさにNゲージ参考にした縮尺

28: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:28:24

>27
へー

31: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:29:33

クローバーって鉄道模型も作ってたの？

32: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:30:28

1/144にしたのクローバーじゃねぇよ！

33: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:32:17

>32
じゃあガンダムがこのサイズな理由ってなんだろ

36: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:35:54

>33
電車や戦闘機と大きさ近ければ玩具展開やりやすいだろ

49: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:41:41

ちなみに何で144って数値だったの？

56: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:47:21

>49
1フィートを1/12インチに縮小するスケール
要は12で2回割る

16: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:21:01

戦車や飛行機みたいな演出をすると18mはデカすぎるけど
ロボット兵器としてみるとある程度高い建物から頭のぞかせる演出が必要ってのもわかるんだよな

19: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:23:08

人の10倍ちょっとの高さって聞くとそんな高く感じないかな

21: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:24:32

デカすぎも何もむしろ当時のロボットアニメ基準じゃちいさい

26: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:27:25

ガンダム放送当時もガンダムは電車一両分ぐらいの大きさ有るよって児童誌に書いてた

34: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:33:28

俺はむしろスレ画みてガンダムちっちゃとなった

58: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:48:00

>34
数値だけ見ると思ったよりちっちゃいなってなるよね
それでもこんなデカいの近くで見るだけでも威圧感あるのにそれが動くってなると怖いしかない

43: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:38:00

ビグザムが牛久大仏の半分くらいしかないのがショックだった

48: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:41:20

>43
牛久大仏とダイターン3がだいたい同じ高さだからしゃーなし

2: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:09:35

大仏でけー

103: 名無し 2021/10/31 10:20:16

>2
あいつ立ったらもっとデカいからな…

107: 名無し 2021/10/31 10:22:05

>2
大仏が立ったらマジンガーサイズかな？

102: 名無し 2021/10/31 10:17:41

アニメ的には人間の10倍ってでかさがあらゆる意味でわかりやすくていい

18: 名無し 2021/10/31 09:21:44

このサイズの腹に格納されるコアファイターがすげえことになる

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 20:07:15 ID：159771bb0 ★コメ返信★

人間収めるコクピットのスペース確保するにはそれなりの大きさ要るだろうし、１５ｍより下は無理があるんでない？
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 20:13:53 ID：319b5e720 ★コメ返信★

小さいとなんか嫌なんだよな…何だかわからないけど
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 20:19:10 ID：457c87894 ★コメ返信★

たまたま出来上がった大きさを既存の規格で見たら大体1/144だったからそれで行っただけだぞ
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 20:48:39 ID：4337f1950 ★コメ返信★

実際、現用兵器の模型と並べると、デカってなる。

反応:※9
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 21:05:53 ID：448c8d627 ★コメ返信★

当初の予定通りパワードスーツだったら、手足や頭を斬り合う乱打戦が出来なかったからこれで良かったのかも
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 21:25:34 ID：56ded5eda ★コメ返信★

>>103
牛久の大仏は最初から立ってる
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 21:25:49 ID：463ddccd0 ★コメ返信★

元々の発端であるタカラとスタジオぬえがやろうとしてたのは
今のボトムズくらいのサイズ感でパイロット人形＋登場ロボ玩具だった訳だしな
結局いろんな回り道を経て今の形になった訳だ
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 21:27:47 ID：cee98da3f ★コメ返信★

スポンサーに企画が通りやすくするためには大ヒットした「マジンガーＺ」と同じ高さに設定してアピールする必要があった
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 21:32:03 ID：56ded5eda ★コメ返信★

※4
同じ1/144のプラモのザクタンクと食玩の戦車（ワールドタンクミュージアム）並べるとMSデカすぎってなるよね。でもザクタンクよりティーガーⅠのが重いんだぜ。

反応:※16
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 21:33:30 ID：56ded5eda ★コメ返信★

人間の約10倍ってサイズはわかりやすくていいと思う。
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 22:20:33 ID：1d74fdf53 ★コメ返信★

現代の戦闘機が１８ｍ前後で同じ大きさだから、まあこんなもんと思わなくもない
コアファイターが全長の約半分でゼロ戦ぐらいのサイズだし

反応:※14
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 22:44:50 ID：fa2d590f0 ★コメ返信★

>記事27
大元まで辿れば「メアリー王妃のドールハウス」(1924)が1フィートを1インチに縮小した1/12だった>それに倣って12進法基準の1/72とか1/144とかがスケールモデルの標準になった、って流れじゃ無いかな…
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 23:08:16 ID：11c4f94e1 ★コメ返信★

当時の巨大ロボヒーローの基準がマジンガーZ(同じく18m)系統だからな
オーバーにパイロットを包み込まない方が戦闘機みたいでカッコいいってなるからその設定が使えるサイズで、上でも言われてるように大人の約10倍で大きさが想像しやすくなる
当時は完全に子供に向けたアニメだからな
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 23:35:59 ID：d39a6793b ★コメ返信★

※11
F-35って15ｍしかねえんだな。丁度F91くらいか
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/10/31(Sun) 23:37:35 ID：98331b2ec ★コメ返信★

まあ正直パワードスーツ系のが、よりリアルではあるし小回りの利きにくい戦車や宇宙戦闘機に勝てるってのもイメージしやすいけど
でかい方が強そうって観点もあるから難しい所だな
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 00:36:55 ID：fb6a8ebb2 ★コメ返信★

※9
そうそう。
ガンダムじゃないけど、1/72の境界戦機のケンブって、1/48の１０式戦車よりもデカい。
10m級でもロボットは大きすぎる印象がある。
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 00:41:02 ID：1dcbdb4aa ★コメ返信★

戦闘機の大きさが同程度定期。
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 00:42:23 ID：fb6a8ebb2 ★コメ返信★

※11 ※14
1/144ガンダムをカトキ立ちで1/144のF-35と並べてみ？
MSって、身長だけでなくて、フットプリントも飛行機の全長なみにあるぞ。
つまり、とてもデカい。
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 00:46:46 ID：fb6a8ebb2 ★コメ返信★

カトキ立ちさせた1/144のガンダムと1/144のF-35を並べてみ？
MSって、身長だけでなく、フットプリントも戦闘機の全長なみにあるぞ。
つまり、とでもデカい。

反応:※27
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 01:01:47 ID：359b41a3a ★コメ返信★

エンジンの概念の進化と、構造材および装甲の進化による。機体が小さければ銃砲などは小口径しか扱えなくなるからね。

バトオペと違ってどこでも当たればHPが減る訳ではなく、兵器が機能を失わなければ見た目オンボロでも動くし、新品でもエンジンがダメならピクともしない。

サイズが大きければそれだけ機能の保護に装甲や構造を使えるので「大きい＝リアルじゃない」は何も考えてないアホかただのアンチ

ガンダムが変なのは１８ｍの巨大な金属塊が重量30トンそこらだと言う所
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 01:40:59 ID：fb6a8ebb2 ★コメ返信★

MSは、たとえば日本の街中で運用するには、陸戦兵器として大きすぎるよね。
たぶん片側二車線道路でも狭すぎると思う
MSを戦車代替の兵器として考えると、大きすぎるよ
特に一年戦争でジオンが地球に侵攻したあたりは、MSは空を飛べない時代なので、航空機代替の兵器とは考えられないし
じゃぁ、戦車のマゼラアタックはどうなんだ、ってなると、やっぱり大きすぎて市街戦では使えそうにないし……
22. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 01:57:42 ID：cf9f99c1f ★コメ返信★

アニメ見てりゃガンダムのサイズってそんなに重要じゃねぇってなる
基本は人類が宇宙に出られるようになった時代の話だし現代の戸建てに隠れて戦闘とかは求めてないよ俺は
23. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 05:59:50 ID：3675058da ★コメ返信★

ベストメカコレクションサイズの箱に入る様に設計
その後設定全長(身長)が18m位となっていたので測ってみると145.4…となったので
1/144にしようと言ったのが始まり
24. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 07:43:21 ID：b097aebaa ★コメ返信★

まあ初のリアルロボット作品ということで、サイズ的にスーパーロボット作品の名残があるのは仕方ない
後続の作品は、コンバットアーマーといいATといいレイバーといい、皆それより小さくなってるし
25. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 07:58:32 ID：94171b60a ★コメ返信★

初代おっちゃんとザクが300円だった頃1/144の戦闘機が200円だった
26. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 09:55:03 ID：b76e62948 ★コメ返信★

サイコガンダム「うっす」
αアジール「うっす」
ネオジオング「うっす」
27. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 10:04:37 ID：453546a1e ★コメ返信★

※19
初速と弾頭の重さによるんだから、別に口径が小さくたって問題ない。
そもそも物理法則の観点から、デカい人型なんてのはファンタジーの産物でしかない。
物理法則無視できるなら人型の必要も大きい必要もないし。
28. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/01(Mon) 10:47:03 ID：4a5c4af3a ★コメ返信★

出資側にしてみれば、ロボアニメは玩具売るためのＣＭだから
で、スポンサー様に「合体ロボにして」と言われれば、
中のコアファイターやらそれに乗せる人のサイズから逆算して、ああなる他ない
29. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/11/03(Wed) 06:16:57 ID：7a2492cda ★コメ返信★

そもそもMSの主軸は宇宙だったし、18mって結構絶妙な数値だよ
30. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 04:27:15 ID：a06aa99d2 ★コメ返信★

当初は宇宙の戦士みたく2.7mのパワードスーツだったが
それだとコロニー内の戦闘がまともな絵にならないとか
そんな判断で18mになったんじゃなかったっけ。
富野の小説だと「18mは核融合炉が搭載できるギリギリのサイズである」
とか書かれてた覚えがあるな。
31. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/02/12(Sat) 21:42:01 ID：114064451 ★コメ返信★

>記事5
そんなノリで時代とともに巨大化し続けたのがゴジラなんや
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