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    【ガンダム】ビームより実弾の方が使いやすいよね?



    1: 無念 2019/04/24 09:08:37 No.633960636 ▼このレスに返信

    ビームライフルよりザクマシンガンの方が格好良くね?あくまで個人的感想で申し訳ないんだけど
    2: 無念 2019/04/24 09:08:45 No.633960650 ▼このレスに返信
    何が言いたいかと言うとビームより実弾の方が惹かれます・・・
    4: 無念 2019/04/24 09:14:42 No.633961129 ▼このレスに返信

    >何が言いたいかと言うとビームより実弾の方が惹かれます・・・
    なるほど
    6: 無念 2019/04/24 09:17:13 No.633961357 ▼このレスに返信
    >なるほど
    いい・・・
    240: 無念 2019/04/24 13:43:36 No.633999131 ▼このレスに返信

    >なるほど
    いつからザクマシンガンは低連射単発高威力
    MMPは高連射低威力みたいに差別化され始めたの?
    241: 無念 2019/04/24 14:00:54 No.634001534 ▼このレスに返信
    >MMPは高連射低威力みたいに差別化され始めたの?
    モビルスーツ・マシン・ピストルでMMPだからだと思うが
    出たのはザクマシンガンよりずっと後発でドムや物資不足な場合はゲルググの主砲でもあるんで
    普通のザクマシンガンより上な気もする
    3: 無念 2019/04/24 09:13:21 No.633961021 ▼このレスに返信

    一番好き
    5: 無念 2019/04/24 09:15:01 No.633961149 ▼このレスに返信
    レーダー関係が死んでるから直撃させないといけないライフルよりマシンガンの方が戦果を上げられそう
    19: 無念 2019/04/24 09:22:41 No.633961859 ▼このレスに返信
    >レーダー関係が死んでるから直撃させないといけないライフルよりマシンガンの方が戦果を上げられそう
    まあビームライフルもマシンガンのように連射してたりする(テキサスコロニー)
    8: 無念 2019/04/24 09:18:35 No.633961489 ▼このレスに返信
    マシンガンがガンダムタイプにも効果があるようにバランス調整してくれていれば良いんだけどね
    あそこの運営はジムにしか効果がないように設定しているから仕方ないね
    12: 無念 2019/04/24 09:20:11 No.633961640 ▼このレスに返信
    ゲームだとバランス調整でマシンガンも普通にダメージ入るからライフルより使いやすい
    14: 無念 2019/04/24 09:21:05 No.633961720 ▼このレスに返信
    120mmの連射直撃に耐えるガンダムってどんだけ頑丈なんだよ
    17: 無念 2019/04/24 09:22:04 No.633961801 ▼このレスに返信
    >120mmの連射直撃に耐えるガンダムってどんだけ頑丈なんだよ
    化け物ぐらいかな
    18: 無念 2019/04/24 09:22:30 No.633961840 ▼このレスに返信
    >120mmの連射直撃に耐えるガンダムってどんだけ頑丈なんだよ
    かと思えばゼフィランサスはマリーネの110mm速射砲で貫通はしないけどボコられるんだよなぁ
    34: 無念 2019/04/24 09:26:39 No.633962234 ▼このレスに返信
    >かと思えばゼフィランサスはマリーネの110mm速射砲で貫通はしないけどボコられるんだよなぁ
    まあ戦争後期で弄ってるんだろうたぶん
    213: 無念 2019/04/24 11:30:08 No.633977084 ▼このレスに返信
    >120mmの連射直撃に耐えるガンダムってどんだけ頑丈なんだよ
    正面装甲はザクマシンガンに耐えることを想定して設計されてるけど
    手のひらで受けて平気なのはやり過ぎ
    15: 無念 2019/04/24 09:21:35 No.633961759 ▼このレスに返信
    ビームライフルは強いけどそれはそれとしてマシンガンばらまくのもきもちいい…
    16: 無念 2019/04/24 09:22:01 No.633961798 ▼このレスに返信
    外伝作品とかだと60mm90mmでもジムを倒せたりするし、むしろ120mmでほぼノーダメージなザクマシンガンはどんな火薬使ってんだと
    22: 無念 2019/04/24 09:23:01 No.633961901 ▼このレスに返信
    >外伝作品とかだと60mm90mmでもジムを倒せたりするし、むしろ120mmでほぼノーダメージなザクマシンガンはどんな火薬使ってんだと
    制作会社の人達そこまで考えてないと思うよ…
    29: 無念 2019/04/24 09:24:31 No.633962044 ▼このレスに返信
    >外伝作品とかだと60mm90mmでもジムを倒せたりするし、むしろ120mmでほぼノーダメージなザクマシンガンはどんな火薬使ってんだと
    パイロット補正だよ
    30: 無念 2019/04/24 09:24:41 No.633962061 ▼このレスに返信
    陸ガン陸ジムはルナチタでも粗悪品なのかザクマシンガンで装甲やられる事あるらしいな
    36: 無念 2019/04/24 09:26:50 No.633962251 ▼このレスに返信

    >陸ガン陸ジムはルナチタでも粗悪品なのかザクマシンガンで装甲やられる事あるらしいな
    正直ジオンのプロパガンダにしか見えないけどな…
    53: 無念 2019/04/24 09:30:22 No.633962584 ▼このレスに返信
    >正直ジオンのプロパガンダにしか見えないけどな…
    やはりジオニックは卑劣だな
    62: 無念 2019/04/24 09:32:30 No.633962792 ▼このレスに返信
    >やはりジオニックは卑劣だな
    お前のところはもう少し携行ビーム兵器の開発もしようぜ……
    31: 無念 2019/04/24 09:24:43 No.633962064 ▼このレスに返信
    ザク改とかが使ってる90ミリマシンガンは連邦軍にMSが出現してから配備された対MS用マスィンガンらしいぞ
    120ミリは対戦闘機や対艦対戦車だったんだってさ
    35: 無念 2019/04/24 09:26:39 No.633962235 ▼このレスに返信
    いまから真剣勝負をしてもらいます
    ここにザクマシンガンとビームライフルがあります
    あなたはどちらを選択しますか?
    39: 無念 2019/04/24 09:27:56 No.633962355 ▼このレスに返信
    >いまから真剣勝負をしてもらいます
    >ここにザクマシンガンとビームライフルがあります
    >あなたはどちらを選択しますか?
    なお機体は両方ザクとします
    42: 無念 2019/04/24 09:28:32 No.633962403 ▼このレスに返信
    >なお機体は両方ザクとします
    片方武器使えないんじゃないかな…
    56: 無念 2019/04/24 09:30:32 No.633962600 ▼このレスに返信

    >なお機体は両方ザクとします
    じゃあ俺は折角だからこのアクトザクを選ぶぜ
    51: 無念 2019/04/24 09:29:57 No.633962540 ▼このレスに返信
    >ここにザクマシンガンとビームライフルがあります
    素人が単発銃貰っても当たる気がしない
    48: 無念 2019/04/24 09:29:38 No.633962512 ▼このレスに返信
    ビームライフルがマシンガンのように連射できればその方が格好良いのでは
    57: 無念 2019/04/24 09:31:17 No.633962670 ▼このレスに返信
    >ビームライフルがマシンガンのように連射できればその方が格好良いのでは
    ビームマシンガンが完成形なわけか
    72: 無念 2019/04/24 09:35:47 No.633963123 ▼このレスに返信

    >ビームマシンガンが完成形なわけか
    やはり最強・・・
    110: 無念 2019/04/24 09:48:12 No.633964474 ▼このレスに返信
    ビームライフル系は一発が強いから対するマシンガンは数で攻めるわけで
    そのビームライフルをマシンガンにしたら軽いコーティングでもすれば弾かれ放題なんじゃ…
    113: 無念 2019/04/24 09:48:37 No.633964524 ▼このレスに返信
    段数無限・対象を選ばす威力強
    マシンガンよりガンダムハンマーの方が強い
    159: 無念 2019/04/24 10:01:42 No.633966015 ▼このレスに返信
    >マシンガンよりガンダムハンマーの方が強い
    そういやジオンMSには質量をぶつける純粋な打撃兵器って無いよな
    グフの鞭も電気通すのが前提だし
    肩アーマーがあればいいのか
    166: 無念 2019/04/24 10:07:32 No.633966695 ▼このレスに返信
    >そういやジオンMSには質量をぶつける純粋な打撃兵器って無いよな
    >グフの鞭も電気通すのが前提だし
    >肩アーマーがあればいいのか
    ガッシャがハンマーガンとかいうガンダムハンマーみたいなの持ってたな
    192: 無念 2019/04/24 10:41:37 No.633970656 ▼このレスに返信

    結局前線だと信頼性が高くて単純な実弾兵装ばっかだったんじゃなかろうか
    193: 無念 2019/04/24 10:45:06 No.633971079 ▼このレスに返信
    稼働率の低い超兵器よりは目の前にいる敵を確実に撃てる方がいいわな
    195: 無念 2019/04/24 10:49:54 No.633971696 ▼このレスに返信
    >稼働率の低い超兵器よりは目の前にいる敵を確実に撃てる方がいいわな
    初期のビームライフルは確かに稼働率は低かったが
    撃てなくなるみたいな不良はなかったよ
    194: 無念 2019/04/24 10:46:57 No.633971306 ▼このレスに返信
    正直MS用兵器って時点で当時じゃ全部新開発だし信頼性って意味じゃ五十歩百歩感が
    198: 無念 2019/04/24 10:58:48 No.633972813 ▼このレスに返信
    >正直MS用兵器って時点で当時じゃ全部新開発だし信頼性って意味じゃ五十歩百歩感が
    現用の砲弾と同じ技術で作れるし生産ラインの使い回しも効くだろうから前線まで届く速さが段違いじゃないかと思う
    200: 無念 2019/04/24 11:01:05 No.633973119 ▼このレスに返信
    もっと言えば艦砲ならビーム兵器あるしそこまで目新しいって訳でも無いな
    OVAの08小隊だとガンダムでもマシンガン使って
    ビームライフルは一撃必殺の強力な武器扱いだったけど
    201: 無念 2019/04/24 11:01:09 No.633973127 ▼このレスに返信
    とはいえビームも砲まではとっくにある世界だからもうよく分からんな
    202: 無念 2019/04/24 11:07:07 No.633973947 ▼このレスに返信
    ビーム兵器の小型化が難航しててMSに持たせられなかったらしいからそのへんが新要素だったんじゃ

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/04/29(Mon) 18:08:18 ID:dc8804f3d            ★コメ返信★

        亜光速で飛んでくる弾は回避は出来ないから、狙われた瞬間に避けなければならない

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/04/29(Mon) 20:02:27 ID:91fde32e5            ★コメ返信★

        連射出来ても豆鉄砲じゃきつかろう
        グリプス戦役以降はビーム兵器or爆発物が中心になってくから
        低威力高レートじゃ装甲を抜けなくなっていったんじゃないか

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/04/29(Mon) 20:05:46 ID:91fde32e5            ★コメ返信★

        νガンダムのバルカン砲の超高威力っぷり

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/04/29(Mon) 20:56:48 ID:48ee720f2            ★コメ返信★

        というよりビームライフルの場合弾数が少ないからじゃないか?
        漫画とかで「こういう時はばら撒くのがセオリーなのよ」みたいな事いってるし足並みそろえるなら実弾なんだろうなぁ。
        少数精鋭やエースになると一撃で相手をしとめるビームライフルなんだろうけど。

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/04/29(Mon) 21:26:41 ID:8e6854b9d            ★コメ返信★

        実体弾は遅いからほぼ光速のビーム兵器に対して遠距離戦闘で不利なのでは?
        あと実体弾は弾種という問題がある
        あすがにただのAPではないと思うが

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/04/29(Mon) 22:46:56 ID:133cd06d6            ★コメ返信★

        ビームライフルだと低反動だから狙いやすいと思うけど粒子飛ばしてるから反動があるんだっけ

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/04/29(Mon) 23:23:59 ID:fe7ba276b            ★コメ返信★

        ※4
        たぶん装弾数が少ないよね
        エネルギーパックとかで補えるようになるまでは実弾じゃないと気軽にバラまけないっぽい
        バカスカ当ててくるアムロが異常

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/04/30(Tue) 20:41:40 ID:345618060            ★コメ返信★

        >ゼフィランサスはマリーネの110mm速射砲で貫通はしないけどボコられる

        アレはその前に散々ビームの連射を食らってるから。
        それに耐えた時点で驚異的な耐久性だと思うけど、さすがに限界に達していたんだろう。

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/07/04(Thu) 17:21:43 ID:cc1606853            ★コメ返信★

        ※6
        反動って言っても計測できるかどうか微量だよ
        レールガンみたいに電力で加速してるからね

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/05/11(Mon) 10:44:43 ID:4811d1b06            ★コメ返信★

        ビームと実弾、宇宙なら実弾にアドバンテージなんてないだろうが、地上なら目標はふらふら動いてないだろうし実弾は有効だろうな
        単発の砲弾は避けられても連射は避けられないだろう
        劇中のザクマシンガンが跳ね返されたのは榴弾だったからだろうし、対装甲弾なら流石に跳ね返すなんて無理だろ
        当たれば転ばせられるし18mの巨体が転べば無事で済むまい

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/05/15(Fri) 06:42:40 ID:d62dd629b            ★コメ返信★

        実弾って言うほど扱い易く無いけどね。
        現代では弾の温度管理とかシビアだし発射時の衝撃で管制システムが壊れたりする。
        宇宙世紀の技術なら何とかなってるんだろうか。

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/09/23(Wed) 00:32:29 ID:8d23394fd            ★コメ返信★

        ビームは磁場で曲がるし湿度で散乱するからなぁ

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