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    1: 2020/04/16 01:08:16 No.725826466 ▼このレスに返信

    サイド共栄圏そんなにダメかな
    3: 2020/04/16 01:12:46 No.725827402 ▼このレスに返信
    やってけるのそもそもそれで
    4: 2020/04/16 01:14:15 No.725827704 ▼このレスに返信
    >やってけるのそもそもそれで
    地球に物資送ってる立場だから地球切っていいならスペースノイドはより豊かに…
    5: 2020/04/16 01:20:02 No.725828782 ▼このレスに返信
    何を送ってるんだっけかそういえば
    6: 2020/04/16 01:21:55 No.725829124 ▼このレスに返信
    >何を送ってるんだっけかそういえば
    食料だったり生活物資だったり基本的に地球はもはやサイドなしでは成り立たない
    7: 2020/04/16 01:23:09 No.725829375 ▼このレスに返信
    まぁ放っといたら勝手に地球がハブられはじめるから
    わざわざ暴力で勝ち取るまでも無いんですけどね…
    8: 2020/04/16 01:25:58 No.725829880 ▼このレスに返信
    >まぁ放っといたら勝手に地球がハブられはじめるから
    >わざわざ暴力で勝ち取るまでも無いんですけどね…
    この話の厄介なところは地球はサイドなしでは成り立たないけど軍事力権力は地球のほうが圧倒的に上で力が強いというところ
    74: 2020/04/16 05:56:00 No.725850018 ▼このレスに返信

    >この話の厄介なところは地球はサイドなしでは成り立たないけど軍事力権力は地球のほうが圧倒的に上で力が強いというところ
    つまりバチカンと神聖ローマ帝国みたいなもんか
    9: 2020/04/16 01:30:27 No.725830729 ▼このレスに返信
    コロニー戦国時代で結果的に実現する
    11: 2020/04/16 01:35:22 No.725831599 ▼このレスに返信
    >コロニー戦国時代で結果的に実現する
    そもそも地球連邦本部が月に移転してて地球見捨てられてるしな
    13: 2020/04/16 01:42:24 No.725832760 ▼このレスに返信
    >コロニー戦国時代で結果的に実現する
    やっぱ連邦が強かった時のが平和だったな―ってなってるのが切ない
    58: 2020/04/16 04:27:56 No.725846262 ▼このレスに返信
    >コロニー戦国時代で結果的に実現する
    コロニーは連帯してないし
    単独ではやってけないコロニーがほとんどだから実現できてないとも言える
    63: 2020/04/16 05:00:12 No.725847567 ▼このレスに返信
    >コロニーは連帯してないし
    >単独ではやってけないコロニーがほとんどだから実現できてないとも言える
    連邦という重石がなくなったらバンチ単位で産業や経済に格差のある
    コロニー同士が連帯・連携できるワケがないっていうジレンマ
    10: 2020/04/16 01:34:32 No.725831478 ▼このレスに返信
    デラーズのやりたかった事を現実的に練り直しましたって感じ
    12: 2020/04/16 01:40:14 No.725832435 ▼このレスに返信
    小説で言われてるように所詮はただの自治権返還を延期させるためのカードで
    実現性自体が無いのが駄目
    14: 2020/04/16 01:43:46 No.725832979 ▼このレスに返信
    >小説で言われてるように所詮はただの自治権返還を延期させるためのカードで
    >実現性自体が無いのが駄目
    箱の中身で脅して実現しようぜって話じゃないの?
    16: 2020/04/16 01:47:21 No.725833556 ▼このレスに返信
    >箱の中身で脅して実現しようぜって話じゃないの?
    箱の中身でサイド共栄圏構想を進めるよって脅すことで
    自治権返還を遅らせることが国防大臣の本当の狙い
    33: 2020/04/16 02:58:35 No.725841682 ▼このレスに返信
    肝心のオチというか箱の説得力無くてあっても無くてもよかったんじゃって
    35: 2020/04/16 03:01:35 No.725841916 ▼このレスに返信
    >肝心のオチというか箱の説得力無くてあっても無くてもよかったんじゃって
    箱自体と言うか内容物そのものには大した力はない
    それを連邦が隠蔽し続けた事実の方に力があるって代物なので
    曲解させ誤解を招かないよう公開されてしまった時点で単純な石碑の効果しかない
    37: 2020/04/16 03:07:36 No.725842385 ▼このレスに返信
    >箱自体と言うか内容物そのものには大した力はない
    >それを連邦が隠蔽し続けた事実の方に力があるって代物なので
    >曲解させ誤解を招かないよう公開されてしまった時点で単純な石碑の効果しかない
    でもそれは箱開けたからわかったことだよね?
    34: 2020/04/16 03:00:28 No.725841834 ▼このレスに返信
    急がなくても地球生まれのお偉いさんが寿命で死滅したら自然と月に鞍がえしちゃいますし
    36: 2020/04/16 03:05:58 No.725842248 ▼このレスに返信
    >>肝心のオチというか箱の説得力無くてあっても無くてもよかったんじゃって
    だから全裸は箱の中身見ずに脅しにのみ使おうぜって考えだった
    箱開けて中身がどうでもいいクソの可能性も十分あったから
    42: 2020/04/16 03:12:46 No.725842766 ▼このレスに返信
    あんま効力ありそうな物でもその後の歴史考えると辻褄合わんし
    実際の中身は即空気化する程度のあれでちょうどいいとは思う
    45: 2020/04/16 03:22:54 No.725843345 ▼このレスに返信
    自分が選ぶなら全裸の使い方の方だな
    46: 2020/04/16 03:23:00 No.725843348 ▼このレスに返信
    一年戦争の時点で箱の中身使っとけばもっと上手くスペースノイドの利権になったのに…
    47: 2020/04/16 03:31:15 No.725843826 ▼このレスに返信

    メタ的に言えば
    先の時代ではコロニーが力を持つ→コロニー国家同士で宇宙戦国時代に→ザンスカール帝国誕生
    というのを知っている視聴者はいるわけだから
    バカ言ってるぜこのものまね芸人となるからな
    54: 2020/04/16 04:04:22 No.725845329 ▼このレスに返信
    どうせ連邦もいつかは瓦解するし
    57: 2020/04/16 04:22:56 No.725846071 ▼このレスに返信
    UC2楽しみだけど海外ドラマ方式とやらでズルズルやられるよりもさっさと切り上げて先の時代を描いて欲しい

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 08:22:06 ID:40a3f0ccd            ★コメ返信★

        地球連邦解体とセツルメント国家の成立で一応、実現はした。
        アースノイドとスペースノイドって垣根も完全になくなるのもこの時代。
        福井ワールドが旧来のF91以降と関係性をどれだけ保ってるのか分からんけど、全裸の案をとって箱を開けずに連邦に大々的に交渉迫ってたほうがのちの歴史考えるとマシだったかもね。セツルメンツ国家の樹立まで疲弊しすぎた。
        UCのオチはやはり視聴者が未来を知ってて、さらに選択した二人が子供の思考モロだしなのがまずい。UCの話は未確定のVの後あたりでやるべきだったろう。

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 08:40:36 ID:e4ea5fd67            ★コメ返信★

        フロンタルの本心は地球とコロニーのパワーバランスを崩してやったら
        どんな風に自滅するかなって悪意だったと思う
        だから真に受けちゃダメな話じゃね

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 09:54:51 ID:67879d40d            ★コメ返信★


        本心は本来ない、全裸は共和国の傀儡でしかないが途中から取りついてるシャアの影響で自分の言ってる事とやってる事が矛盾し出したのが最終決戦でのセリフだから

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 10:15:17 ID:563d2b4b4            ★コメ返信★

        実現できるかっていうのもあれだけどフロンタル自身がこれでいいんじゃね知らんけど(適当)って態度だったのがよろしくなかった

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 10:16:14 ID:4679f381b            ★コメ返信★

        サイド共栄圏作っても、後の時代ではさらに外宇宙へ進出したターンX星人にビクビクするのは変わらないし、未来の食糧難でクンタラができるのも変わらないんじゃないかな

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 10:16:40 ID:82063b07d            ★コメ返信★

        ミネバはシャアの物真似をしているあいつ個人の人格気に入らない、以上の考えを一切持ってないくせに偉そうに反対してるよな

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 10:32:06 ID:47892b3aa            ★コメ返信★

        地球のやってること気に食わんから、コロニーで組んで輸出規制するでー、ってことなんだけど、地球からものを輸入していないわけがないよね(地球に50億人以上いるのに、そいつら何の仕事してんだってことになる)。
        地球という市場を失うことによる輸出不振と製造業の倒産も起きるだろうし、軍事面抜きにしても明らかに無理くさく感じる。

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 11:44:44 ID:67879d40d            ★コメ返信★

        ↑だから戦国時代に突入するんだよ、それを気にコロニー全てを支配下におきたい奴はゴロゴロいるし
        F91の時点で連邦の影響力薄れたからクロスボーンが先駆けて半期を翻しVの時代でもザンスカールにあれほど好き勝手されたんだし

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 12:45:50 ID:016b07d3d            ★コメ返信★

        スペースノイド全体が自主的にそれを望むならまだしも
        箱の中身を使った傀儡フロンタルにやられるのはお断り

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 12:47:44 ID:016b07d3d            ★コメ返信★

        革命とクーデターの違いみたいなものだと思うのだが

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/16(Thu) 13:11:26 ID:40a3f0ccd            ★コメ返信★

        ※7
        そもそも劇中のクェスの(誇張があるにしても)宇宙100億人発言やフロンタルの発言聞く限りじゃ、宇宙人口のほうが遥かに上回っていて50億もおらんだろ。フロンタルの時代はマハの活発化で人口は減る一方で、地球に残ってるのは貧困層と超上流の二極端。各地の伝統的生活の原住民なんかも考慮すると、地球に市場としてのうまみなんてほとんどないよ。
        のちに宇宙との関係悪化で海底で食糧生産しても追い付かなくなる地球はコロニーからの食糧確保が生命線だもの。

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      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/04/18(Sat) 12:29:00 ID:df70f5d4b            ★コメ返信★

        サイド共栄圏自体が宇宙戦国時代からの逆算でしょ

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