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【ガンダムW】MSの変形って寝そべり型が最適解なとこあるよね

1: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:11:54▼このレスに返信

MSの変形って寝そべり型が最適解なとこあるよね

2: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:14:28▼このレスに返信

Ζで懲りたよ
あれ部品は脆くなるし塗装はハゲるしであんな無茶苦茶な変形させなくてもいいやってなる

41: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:31:40▼このレスに返信

>2
元の設定だとフトモモは三段シャフトで横に延びる
体開いて頭が腹まで降りるって変形ムチャなクセに
背中のでかいバインダーとシールドの機首が
ウェイブライダーの大部分を締めている

3: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:14:59▼このレスに返信

寝そべりだけだと玩具にしたとき物足りないのでもうワンアクションほしい

5: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:15:58▼このレスに返信

>3
ワンアクションしたためにお腹がひどいことになってるんですがそれは

6: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:16:51▼このレスに返信

>5
頭見えるのとどっちがましかは人によるよね

8: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:17:47▼このレスに返信

武器とか盾が手から離れて勝手に定位置につく変形は悪い変形

12: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:19:21▼このレスに返信

>8
勇者ロボならそれでもいいんだけどガンダムではねぇ…

9: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:18:29▼このレスに返信

ギャプランとかメッサーラみたいなのでもいいのよ

30: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:25:24▼このレスに返信

>9
その二つの変形はなかなか流用されないな

32: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:26:11▼このレスに返信

>30
いちおうフラッグがギャプラン変形の系譜だ

68: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:42:34▼このレスに返信

>32
AGE2もギャプランっぽい気がする

10: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:18:48▼このレスに返信

サイコガンダムがしゃがんだような変形で面白かった

11: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:19:08▼このレスに返信

想定した効果が得られるなら別に何でもいいよ

287: 名無し 2020/10/28 17:09:11▼このレスに返信

>11
なんでそれで想定した効果が得られるんだろう…

13: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:19:33▼このレスに返信

セイバーの変形が無難だと思う
（盾で隠してるから下から顔が見える事もないし）

23: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:23:38▼このレスに返信

アッシマー変形は完成度高いと思うの

28: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:25:15▼このレスに返信

>23
ただしどうやって飛べるのかは謎

51: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:35:03▼このレスに返信

シュッとしてるわぁ

69: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:43:48▼このレスに返信

>51
顔見えてるのに飛びそうな形で格好いいのがズルいわ

55: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:36:06▼このレスに返信

車になるガンダムはいないの
三段変形で戦車とジェットになるガンダムはないの

59: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:37:32▼このレスに返信

>55
キャノンとタンクになるガンダムならいる

62: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:39:41▼このレスに返信

>55
よし！

64: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:40:45▼このレスに返信

>62
ザクじゃねーか

66: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:41:17▼このレスに返信

>62
掟破りの自覚はあるのか…

71: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:46:07▼このレスに返信

アシュタロンもいいぞ！

72: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:46:49▼このレスに返信

>71
背負いモノ依存じゃねぇか

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>71
フリーデンのメカニックにMSだと気づかれない見事な変形

83: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:51:32▼このレスに返信

>79
どう考えても苦しいよな

86: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:52:46▼このレスに返信

>83
エスペランサがMSに変形しないと一目でわかった奴だけが石を投げなさい

99: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:56:55▼このレスに返信

>86
これはどうみても足パーツですね
…え？違うの？

80: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:50:46▼このレスに返信

寝そべり変形は甘え

85: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:52:43▼このレスに返信

>80
その足で翼風に見せるのは無理があり過ぎる

89: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:53:22▼このレスに返信

>80

90: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:53:32▼このレスに返信

>80
まあ寝そべりでいいかなって見るたびに思う
ビームローターついてようやく見られる形だ

73: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:47:01▼このレスに返信

ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!

104: 名無し 2020/10/28 13:58:12▼このレスに返信

ウイングはバンダイのコスト低減要望に応えた最適解

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 19:18:09 ID：8716d374d ★コメ返信★

ガンダムタイプで寝そべりじゃない一番いい感じの変形ってAGE2系かな…？
個人的にはカオスめっちゃ好きなんだけどね、飛行機ではないよね…
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 19:50:03 ID：84fe928f5 ★コメ返信★

エアマスターとかセイバーみたいな戦闘機としてもかっこいい感じに仕上がってるやつが好き
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 19:59:44 ID：6a1f6938c ★コメ返信★

ゴッグの巡航形態は寝そべり変形扱いでOKですか？
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 20:08:07 ID：2644ef02d ★コメ返信★

変形機構だけならイージスの前傾型変形が一番素敵だと思う
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 20:14:50 ID：c76e82bc7 ★コメ返信★

簡単変形で外観もという話であればメタス優秀な方では
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 20:28:30 ID：4bb89d0e3 ★コメ返信★

この手の話題で、イージスが挙がらないのは珍しいな
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 21:01:00 ID：1db1690b3 ★コメ返信★

顔上手い事使ってるなってのはVとか？

反応:※12
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 21:35:04 ID：5c4eaadfd ★コメ返信★

キングアラジンの真似も
ハンブラビ、エピオン、バビと
結構普及してる。
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 22:00:01 ID：db37bcb00 ★コメ返信★

ガンダムタイプの可変機ならエアマスターが完成系だと思ってる
寝そべりの割と簡単な変形機構の割にしっかり頭も隠れて飛行機らしい姿になるし、寝そべりタイプの機体にありがちな盾とかの手持ち武器を失ったら変形できないって欠点も無い
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 22:04:58 ID：878d946c5 ★コメ返信★

エスペランサはあのバーナーがガウォークぽく動けば…
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 22:16:49 ID：525e61d6f ★コメ返信★

XはバルチャーのオリジナルMSがワンサカいる世界だしエスペランサみたいな変形しそうでしないってのもわりと普通なんじゃないかな
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 22:26:36 ID：4824a10d7 ★コメ返信★

※7
Vのコアファイターは頭部バルカンやカメラがそのまま使えて無駄がないもんな
Zガンダムの場合は大気圏突入形態だから
精密機器の塊である頭部を隠して熱から守る必要があったんだろうけど
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/28(Wed) 23:36:24 ID：e94aa5f8e ★コメ返信★

スレの蜃気楼鳥地味に変な画像だな
機体はファントムだけどファントムじゃクジャクの懸架はできないはず
それはそれとしてクジャク付くだけでだいぶ格好良くなる
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 00:03:36 ID：94c254ec1 ★コメ返信★

チェストフライヤーだけはいまだに納得いかない。あのポーズは必要なの？

反応:※18 ※29
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 00:32:18 ID：6bddcb022 ★コメ返信★

顔を隠す+ライフル構える+肩を畳んで空気抵抗減らすって感じじゃない？
少なくとも上半身そのまま飛んでくよりはいいと思うが
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 01:24:13 ID：879143810 ★コメ返信★

ライフルや盾がふわふわ浮いて勝手に移動するのは子供騙しすぎるからやめろ
せめて腕かサブアーム使って所定の位置に装着してくれ
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 02:00:57 ID：3ef796301 ★コメ返信★

メカニック部分の構造上の云々を全部ぶん投げて
変形すること自体をアイデンティティにしてるトランスフォーマーって
それはそれで凄いんだなって
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 07:43:53 ID：402c7f435 ★コメ返信★

※14
言いたいことはわかるが
あれでいいよ
Ｖとか結局複雑なことになってるやんか
プラモ組んだことあるやつならわかるはずや

反応:※19 ※29
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 07:58:39 ID：c11efab93 ★コメ返信★

※18
腕をアンシンメントリーにする必要はないと思うよ。
両腕の肘を曲げて体の正面(飛行状態の下部)に密着させた状態にした方が余程飛行バランスは良くなる。
空気抵抗的には変わらんし、むしろあんな風に片腕伸ばしたら整流効果が悪い方に働くだけ。

反応:※26
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 12:29:06 ID：37e42f7c5 ★コメ返信★

確かウイングガンダムもそうだったかな？
プラモによくあるMS→別形態になる際、手首を外すのが納得行かないんやよ。
元は人型なんだから手がチラ見えしてもいいし、設定ではどうなってるのかなーと。

反応:※24
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 19:37:11 ID：f416e191b ★コメ返信★

EX -S「寝そべり変形です。通してください」
22. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/29(Thu) 19:55:42 ID：206ef89ee ★コメ返信★

完全に寝そべり変形のL.O.ブースター
23. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/31(Sat) 06:59:07 ID：3e8856ed3 ★コメ返信★

Gアーマーの中のガンダム「寝そべりやで！」
24. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/31(Sat) 11:56:54 ID：51e367c8d ★コメ返信★

>>20
TV版ウイングガンダムなら手首を収納する設定。
旧1/100キットと半完成品の1/60モデルでは再現してる。
旧1/144やHGACは外さなくても支障は無かったりするが、MGは持ってないので不明。
25. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/11/01(Sun) 17:39:34 ID：f0974f59c ★コメ返信★

冬にグローブなしでバイク乗ると分かると思うんだけど、手首出しっぱなしだと、寒すぎて痛いんだよ
26. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/11/04(Wed) 00:57:47 ID：cad69b3ae ★コメ返信★

※19
チェストフライヤーが空を飛べるほどの技術を持ってるだけの話
そういう世界なんだよ
あんな形が空飛んでる時点で、空気抵抗だの整流効果だの持ち出す方がよっぽど滑稽
27. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/11/08(Sun) 19:37:11 ID：8959f809d ★コメ返信★

寝そべって頭に被り物する変形が最適解なのはリガズィでわかっちゃったから
28. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/11/21(Sat) 16:16:35 ID：72f17cb01 ★コメ返信★

やっぱり勇者ライディーンの変形が理想的なんやなあ
29. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/11/27(Fri) 23:11:11 ID：f9f4d0495 ★コメ返信★

※14
※18
そもそもあの形態がＭＳ保有制限条約回避の苦肉策でとりあえずMSでない形にしただけだから
あの形で運用すること自体端から考えてない
だから質問自体がナンセンスでむしろ最低限の可動で抑えてるのは理にかなってるよ

何であんなので条約ＯＫ出たかって？
そんなもんＷＷ１後のドイツで軍縮の査察に来た連中に
これ農業用トラクターですって1号戦車出されて納得した査察団に行ってくれ
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