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    Zガンダム「単独で大気圏突入して急襲して離脱します」←もはや戦略兵器だよな



    1: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:42:33▼このレスに返信

    Zガンダムスレ

    客観的にみるともはや戦略兵器

    6: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:46:25▼このレスに返信
    戦略まではいかないけど普及してはいけない部類の兵器
    戦略マップが一気に塗り替わってしまうし成層圏付近に警備艦隊常駐させる必要も出る                                                           
    9: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:47:44▼このレスに返信
    「トランスフォーマーが流行ってるからモビルスーツも変形させよう」という単純な理由から変形させることにした
    24: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:52:14▼このレスに返信
    >9
    それでいきなりバルキリーよりムズい機構にしちゃうのロックだよな
    30: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:53:58▼このレスに返信
    >24
    今やバンダイがよくやる「変形のための変形」の代表みたいな存在だと思う
    47: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:00:10▼このレスに返信
    >30
    ゼータの変形は大気圏突入と飛行が出来るってのをビジュアル的にある程度リアリティ持たせるためだし
    13: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:49:16▼このレスに返信
    たとえ片道特攻だとしても今まで進行できない所を急襲できるだけで驚異だよ
    それまでの防衛概念が書き換わる可能性も秘めてる
    16: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:49:58▼このレスに返信
    メカニックマンから嫌われてそうな機体
    19: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:51:06▼このレスに返信
    >16
    ZZの方がメンテナンス性は劣悪だからセーフ
    41: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:58:28▼このレスに返信
    >19
    分離合体する機体よりはマシっぽいよね
    25: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:52:26▼このレスに返信
    宇宙の防衛ライン突破してそのまま大気圏突入して地表の構造物なり破壊できる
    テロに便利すぎる…
    34: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:55:25▼このレスに返信

    >25
    それフイルムでも出来なくないですか
    42: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:58:51▼このレスに返信
    >34
    暴れたあとガンダムだと歩いて逃げないといけないがゼータなら飛んで逃げられる
    51: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:00:29▼このレスに返信
    >42
    フィルムだと減速できずに地表に激突するぞ
    52: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:01:31▼このレスに返信
    >42
    この時代のMSで宇宙から一撃離脱が可能ってそりゃチートだよな
    69: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:04:16▼このレスに返信
    >42
    Zがあの時代の航空機に対してどれだけ優位性があるのか疑問ですね
    デッドウエイトもあるだろうし本当に逃げられますか?
    27: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:52:43▼このレスに返信
    自力で大気圏離脱できると凄すぎる
    32: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:55:21▼このレスに返信
    >27
    オプション無いと出来んぞ
    63: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:03:17▼このレスに返信
    大気圏突破凄いけど
    コスト増ししてまでメリットあるかと言うと
    68: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:04:15▼このレスに返信
    >63
    汎用性の高いバリュートあるしね
    92: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:09:15▼このレスに返信
    >68
    単騎駆けする必要のある作戦でもあれば白羽の矢が立つだろうけど普段は必要がない機能だよね
    117: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:14:22▼このレスに返信
    >92
    エゥーゴには必要だったってだけだからな
    71: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:04:27▼このレスに返信
    他の可変機は大気圏突入出来ない?
    76: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:05:48▼このレスに返信
    >71
    ほぼ無理
    81: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:06:43▼このレスに返信
    >71
    アッシマーとバウンドドックは逆さまにしたらいけそうなきがする
    75: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:05:46▼このレスに返信
    MSが単独で宇宙と地上を往復出来なくてもホワイトベースみたいなのに載ってりゃ出来るわけで
    91: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:08:55▼このレスに返信
    >75
    隠密任務ができるようMS一機に集約させて試してみたいのはあるかも
    82: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:06:56▼このレスに返信
    Zガンダムの勿体ない処は大気圏突入&大気圏内飛行能力が一番の特長なのに
    それを活かしたストーリー展開にならなかった事かも知れない
    102: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:11:16▼このレスに返信
    >82
    劇場版ではそれをかろうじてこなしてたキリマンジャロ丸々カット…
    46: 名無し 2022/02/19 09:59:45▼このレスに返信

    ガンダムをオカルト能力方面に舵を切らせた機体
    54: 名無し 2022/02/19 10:01:48▼このレスに返信
    >46
    光る宇宙のあたりでだいぶ…

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 19:16:49 ID:30b8aadc2            ★コメ返信★

        バルキリーになれなかったゴミ
        あのゴミみたいな変形機構が全てを台無しにしたゴミ
        おめえのことだよ、大河原

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 19:18:33 ID:72a32f2b2            ★コメ返信★

        なおバルキリーより売れてる模様w

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 19:25:59 ID:10b7a5cda            ★コメ返信★

        >記事51
        これ、お迎えするシステムもないのにこんな機能付けてどうするつもりだったんだろ
        コアファイター以外捨てる気だったか?

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 19:27:20 ID:2b72c7c79            ★コメ返信★

        シールド破壊すればいいんじゃね?

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 19:30:36 ID:a7283fb8f            ★コメ返信★

        むしろ初代からオカルトしまくってたのを
        Z序盤で現実路線に戻ってしばらくオカルトあったの忘れてただけ

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 19:53:16 ID:387a47975            ★コメ返信★

        Zの変形は「凄い変形」じゃないと思うんだよなあ。
        VF1がまず先にあるのでどう考えても似通ってしまう。
        胸部を開いて腕を格納してって部分はほぼ一緒で
        VF1では無理のあった股関節の移動の処理が
        Zでは逆関節で上に持って行っただけ。
        絵の上では可能であっても玩具では相当無理があるから
        昨今のカッコイイZのプラモなどは元絵からはかけ離れてる。

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 20:09:33 ID:ff31506d5            ★コメ返信★

        >記事69
        MS載せたサブフライトシステムにすら何ら優位性も発揮できず、空を好きにさせるしかない宇宙世紀の航空機じゃ、ウェーブライダーに対抗出来るとは思えないなぁ・・・

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 20:28:39 ID:de7e4f421            ★コメ返信★

        ※1
        大河原御大のデザインじゃねえし
        短気と無知を晒して死にたいんだろ?止めねえけど線路はやめろ、迷惑だ

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 20:40:13 ID:502af9cab            ★コメ返信★

        そもそもZって宇宙から地球上の拠点を叩くために作られた機体だろ
        コロニーやマスドライバーみたいな大質量兵器はもう落とせない以上
        なら大気圏突入能力持ったMS作って直接襲えばいいじゃんてことで開発されたMSなわけだし

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 20:55:18 ID:b8150d0a9            ★コメ返信★

        ※3
        ガンダムは稼働データを持ち帰るのが本来のお仕事なので、最悪ABパーツ捨ててでも帰ってくるようにってことじゃないかな

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 21:10:42 ID:2374daac9            ★コメ返信★

        >記事82
        たらればな話で申し訳ない
        もしフルアップデートのZがロンド・ベルに配備されてたら
        アムロが性能を見事に発揮してくれたと思う

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 21:24:46 ID:c2cb9076f            ★コメ返信★

        大気圏離脱したあげく更に再突入することでギアナから地球の裏側まであっという間に移動したゴッドガンダム

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 21:45:28 ID:89cca5a47            ★コメ返信★

        そもそも戦略兵器の意味が分かってない
         戦略と戦術の意味ググって調べ直して出直してこい

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/19(Sat) 22:53:35 ID:1c003d504            ★コメ返信★

        ※8
        残念ながら変形機構はガワラだぞ
        デザインは違うがな

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 01:36:41 ID:4668ece29            ★コメ返信★

        ※12
        ビームロープの反動は今更だけどなんでビームロープ張ってたんですか…
        本戦出場資格持ち約99%は移動中か到着済でギアナ戦はデビルガンダム関連でファイト認定受けてなかったような…

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 01:40:56 ID:ce0afcb56            ★コメ返信★

        近藤和久のマンガでZが小隊クラスで、そんな作戦に従事するシーンがあったな~

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 02:20:23 ID:d27e4b7c2            ★コメ返信★

        ※15
        会期中はずっと張ってるんじゃなかったっけ

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 07:43:23 ID:9bb6c3a48            ★コメ返信★

        Vガンやってた頃に過去作として初めてΖを見返してたがむしろMk2のデザインが良いというイメージの方が強かったな。

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 08:56:37 ID:9c0b55d52            ★コメ返信★

        連邦軍艦艇に宇宙から
        地球の拠点を叩く攻撃オプションがなかった説
        ジャブロー攻略時にはなかった
        キリマンジェロ攻略にはアーガマから対地ミサイルをカラバへの援護で撃ってた
        地球の拠点は土の中
        モビルスーツはモビルスーツに相手させて
        拠点攻撃は航空機による爆撃の方が効果的なはず
        描写はない

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 12:44:03 ID:c3f98120e            ★コメ返信★

        ある意味、アプサラスが実行しようとしたことをMSでこなせたかもしれないのか。
        で、更に未来で似たコンセプトを木星から地球の距離で実現しようとしてたのが、クロボンのファントムなんだな。

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 15:31:50 ID:6f7da55fa            ★コメ返信★

        ※17
        そうだっけ?なんかOPとかゲーム諸々とか暁に死すとかのせいでファイト毎にONOFFしてると思ってたわ

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 17:25:40 ID:4123cb917            ★コメ返信★

        Z嫌いな奴がどんなにZ嫌いでも知らんわ
        ほとんどのアンチにいえるけど

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/02/20(Sun) 23:14:18 ID:4f726d739            ★コメ返信★

        ※14
        これ知らんやつ多いよな
        大河原考案のくっそだせえスペースシャトル背負ったガンダムは必見のダサさ

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