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    【鉄血のオルフェンズ】マッキーは格好良くて哀れなキャラだったな



    1: 2019/08/24 21:49:52 No.617375914 ▼このレスに返信

    今更鉄血一気見したんだけどマッキーって笑えるしかっこいいし哀れだしいいキャラしてるな…
    2: 2019/08/24 21:50:58 No.617376387 ▼このレスに返信
    用意周到に事進めてたと思ったらテンション上がりすぎて後半グダグダになっちゃっちゃったマン
    3: 2019/08/24 21:52:40 No.617377111 ▼このレスに返信
    バエルさえあれば後はみんな従うと思ってたのは流石に…
    バエルに夢を見ていたのも分かりはするけど…
    71: 2019/08/24 22:19:18 No.617387453 ▼このレスに返信
    >バエルさえあれば後はみんな従うと思ってたのは流石に…
    >バエルに夢を見ていたのも分かりはするけど…
    実際肉おじ出てこなきゃ十分効果あったし肉おじが出てこようが中立に留まる程度には効果あるんだけどな
    5: 2019/08/24 21:53:30 No.617377438 ▼このレスに返信
    だいたい自分一人で出来ちゃうスーパーマンだけどどうしょうもない子供っぽさも抱えてて面白いよね
    10: 2019/08/24 21:54:49 No.617378050 ▼このレスに返信
    最後バエルで生き生きしてたの好き
    多分あの時生まれて初めて自由だったんだろうなって
    12: 2019/08/24 21:56:04 No.617378621 ▼このレスに返信
    最後まで鉄華団の味方であったのは意外だった
    絶対裏切るか見捨てるかと思ってた…
    13: 2019/08/24 21:56:24 No.617378765 ▼このレスに返信
    頭おかしくて強いガンダムらしいネタキャラ
    18: 2019/08/24 21:59:38 No.617379965 ▼このレスに返信
    エンディングで基地見て意味深ににやけたシーンは裏切ると思った
    単機で包囲網突破しやがったこいつ
    19: 2019/08/24 21:59:38 No.617379969 ▼このレスに返信
    勝ち逃げだなと思ったら最後の最後に現実に戻されて幸せに本物と偽物があるのかはキツい
    21: 2019/08/24 22:01:04 No.617380517 ▼このレスに返信
    鉄華団が割食った分スレ画とガリガリは丁寧に描写されたからな…
    30: 2019/08/24 22:05:18 No.617382029 ▼このレスに返信
    まあでも大目標に関してはマッキーの勝ちなんだよな
    ラスタルも体制を変えざるを得なかったし
    34: 2019/08/24 22:07:05 No.617382576 ▼このレスに返信
    >まあでも大目標に関してはマッキーの勝ちなんだよな
    >ラスタルも体制を変えざるを得なかったし
    自覚してる上っ面の目標は世界がテロリズムで満たされる事だから勝ちではない
    無意識下の目標で自分が倒される事なら勝ちではある
    まあ実際はアルミリアを幸せにできなかったという大負けもいいところなんだけど
    33: 2019/08/24 22:06:49 No.617382480 ▼このレスに返信
    どうせならバエルとバルバトスで並んで敵と戦ってほしかったところだ
    36: 2019/08/24 22:08:03 No.617382905 ▼このレスに返信
    >どうせならバエルとバルバトスで並んで敵と戦ってほしかったところだ
    それやってたら勝ってたからなー
    というか衛星軌道からの地面に向けてのダインスレイブが強すぎるよ
    37: 2019/08/24 22:08:50 No.617383171 ▼このレスに返信
    単騎の高機動機体には逆にダインスレイブ弱いからキマヴィダが止められなきゃ本当にバエルだけで勝ってた可能性ある
    40: 2019/08/24 22:10:35 No.617383878 ▼このレスに返信
    マッキー現場だとバリバリ活躍するのに後方に下がるとあまり結果を出せないのが子供の限界という気がする
    47: 2019/08/24 22:12:34 No.617384746 ▼このレスに返信
    >マッキー現場だとバリバリ活躍するのに後方に下がるとあまり結果を出せないのが子供の限界という気がする
    本人の一番強い目標が世界を憎む人間の原動力と暴れる理由になる事だから現場で暴れれば暴れるほど目標達成されるわけでやる気も出る
    まあ後の歴史の教科書には反面教師として描かれる事になったんだが…
    51: 2019/08/24 22:13:25 No.617385113 ▼このレスに返信
    >マッキー現場だとバリバリ活躍するのに後方に下がるとあまり結果を出せないのが子供の限界という気がする
    大人ぶり方でイメージが変わるけどマッキーオルガ三日月は基本3人ともただの少年兵ってのが根っこな気がする
    42: 2019/08/24 22:11:23 No.617384220 ▼このレスに返信
    そもそもマッキーは基本行き当たりばったりだからね
    たまたま火星で見かけた少年兵にアグニカ感じて友人も義父も裏切る狂人だもん
    53: 2019/08/24 22:14:58 No.617385703 ▼このレスに返信
    >そもそもマッキーは基本行き当たりばったりだからね
    というか心の中が世界に虐げられた俺達と俺達以外で成り立ってるから世界がどう成立しようが全く興味がないというか
    43: 2019/08/24 22:11:45 No.617384384 ▼このレスに返信

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    騎士ガンダムの世界なら生き残れるからよ…

    79: 2019/08/24 22:21:02 No.617388118 ▼このレスに返信
    >su3266508.jpg
    ナイト鉄血第四弾はまさに視聴者が望んだ鉄血だった…
    52: 2019/08/24 22:14:30 No.617385528 ▼このレスに返信
    正直マッキーはあそこで勝って頂点に上り詰めても幸せになれないタイプの人だと思う
    54: 2019/08/24 22:15:24 No.617385905 ▼このレスに返信
    仮面ライダーになったら世の中の悪とかだいたいなんとかなると思って本当になったら社会に潰された子供
    57: 2019/08/24 22:15:51 No.617386091 ▼このレスに返信
    >仮面ライダーになったら世の中の悪とかだいたいなんとかなると思って本当になったら社会に潰された子供
    世界には勝ってたよ
    友達に負けたのさ
    56: 2019/08/24 22:15:41 No.617386026 ▼このレスに返信
    そんなマッキーの本心知りながらついてきた石動は最高にロックだった
    63: 2019/08/24 22:17:12 No.617386628 ▼このレスに返信
    MA戦見て暴力いいね!ってならなければもうちょっと遠回りな道選んだはずなんだ
    67: 2019/08/24 22:18:24 No.617387100 ▼このレスに返信
    >MA戦見て暴力いいね!ってならなければもうちょっと遠回りな道選んだはずなんだ
    色んな意味で誰にとってもあそこがターニングポイントだった
    78: 2019/08/24 22:20:54 No.617388069 ▼このレスに返信
    1期はアインに負けてたら鉄華団どころかマッキーの計画も全部終わりだもんねアレ…
    82: 2019/08/24 22:22:05 No.617388511 ▼このレスに返信
    >1期はアインに負けてたら鉄華団どころかマッキーの計画も全部終わりだもんねアレ…
    あそこでやっぱ暴力こそ最高だわ…でもちょっと真面目に足場固めて改革しよ…くらいにまで2期には落ち着いてたのに
    MA解体するバルバトスを間近で見てしまったばかりにな…
    107: 2019/08/24 22:31:01 No.617392030 ▼このレスに返信
    >MA解体するバルバトスを間近で見てしまったばかりにな…
    お前どういう気持ちでその機体乗ってんの?って言われたのも大きいと思うよ
    83: 2019/08/24 22:22:07 No.617388525 ▼このレスに返信
    マッキーの最期はほんとに良かったよ…
    鉄華団まるっといらなかったんじゃねえかな
    86: 2019/08/24 22:23:40 No.617389113 ▼このレスに返信
    >鉄華団まるっといらなかったんじゃねえかな
    鉄華団がいないとマッキーは狂わないし、マッキーがいないと鉄華団も狂っていかないので要る要らないの話をするなら要るよ
    個人のお話の好き嫌いはともかく鉄血を構成する要素としてはどっちも必要なのだ…
    127: 2019/08/24 22:34:42 No.617393555 ▼このレスに返信
    >鉄華団まるっといらなかったんじゃねえかな
    各陣営の考えとか思想とか理想とかじゃなく単純にただ明日を生きる幸せが欲しい
    っていう前線の子供たちが必死に生き残るために足掻くけど
    歴史の流れにはそんなの関係なく押し流し
    無かったことになっていくけど忘れずにつながれていくって感じだから
    84: 2019/08/24 22:22:09 No.617388547 ▼このレスに返信
    世界への憎しみ持つのも当然の境遇だからな
    大人になって幸せになりましたじゃ拭えない
    90: 2019/08/24 22:23:58 No.617389248 ▼このレスに返信
    >世界への憎しみ持つのも当然の境遇だからな
    >大人になって幸せになりましたじゃ拭えない
    本来はマッキーが世界に憎しみを持つ人達を救済しなきゃいけないんだよ
    でもマッキーにとっては虐げられた人々は世界を憎まなければならないから
    そういった人達を救済するのは絶対に許せない行為だったわけ
    94: 2019/08/24 22:26:33 No.617390343 ▼このレスに返信
    ガリガリ君もちゃんと向き合って話せばマッキーの味方になってくれたよね…
    97: 2019/08/24 22:28:51 No.617391257 ▼このレスに返信
    >ガリガリ君もちゃんと向き合って話せばマッキーの味方になってくれたよね…
    仲間と協力プレイはマッキー的クリア条件に引っかかるからな…
    106: 2019/08/24 22:30:32 No.617391864 ▼このレスに返信
    >仲間と協力プレイはマッキー的クリア条件に引っかかるからな…
    ガエリオは偏見は持ってても世に対して憎しみを持ってるわけでないしそれを戦う理由にする事もない
    95: 2019/08/24 22:27:52 No.617390861 ▼このレスに返信
    ただガリガリ君は一回マッキーに裏切られないと覚醒しないのが
    96: 2019/08/24 22:28:12 No.617391010 ▼このレスに返信
    鉄華団は良くも悪くも生きる事だけに必死な子供達がどうにかこうにか暴力でのし上がろうとする集団で、逆にマッキーは生きるだけならそこまで泥臭くならずとも良いのにそれに憧れちゃったばっかりに起きた不幸というか悲劇なのよな
    118: 2019/08/24 22:33:04 No.617392891 ▼このレスに返信
    >鉄華団は良くも悪くも生きる事だけに必死な子供達がどうにかこうにか暴力でのし上がろうとする集団で、逆にマッキーは生きるだけならそこまで泥臭くならずとも良いのにそれに憧れちゃったばっかりに起きた不幸というか悲劇なのよな
    ぶっちゃけ鉄華団も火星の王目指したせいで生きる事だけに必死な子供とは言えなくなってると思う
    余計な野心持ったせいで引き返せなくなったって印象
    123: 2019/08/24 22:34:03 No.617393275 ▼このレスに返信
    >ぶっちゃけ鉄華団も火星の王目指したせいで生きる事だけに必死な子供とは言えなくなってると思う
    >余計な野心持ったせいで引き返せなくなったって印象
    左様
    マッキーと組まなきゃそうはならなかっただろうし、でもマッキーと組まなきゃ1期ラストまでに終わってるからね
    不幸だよね
    98: 2019/08/24 22:29:07 No.617391345 ▼このレスに返信
    道徳教育の大事さを噛み締める作品である

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        そもそも改革ってより
        バエルに乗ってアグニカ=カイエルを再現するのが目的だったみたいだし、マッキー
        伝説に呪われた子供のままだったんだよね

        むしろ鉄華団は(オルガは)焦り過ぎてどんどん危ない方向に向かって突き進んじゃうのがいいんじゃないかな

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