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    【ガンダム】バルカンってゲームのせいで弱い印象あるけど普通に強いよな…



    1: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:46:36▼このレスに返信

    バルカンすれ
    2: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:52:35▼このレスに返信

    ゲームのせいで豆鉄砲みたいな印象があるけど
    高速の飛翔体が無数に叩き込まれるから装甲は抜けなくても宇宙空間だと行動阻害にかなり有効なはずなんだよな
    その辺を描写してるの0083だけだけど
    8: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:58:16▼このレスに返信
    >2
    そもそも初代からしてリックドムくらいバルカンで落としてるので全然装甲抜ける
    11: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:59:02▼このレスに返信

    >2
    逆シャア見たことないの?
    66: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:31:12▼このレスに返信
    >2
    ゲームというより初代の時はそんな強い火器ではなかった
    72: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:34:24▼このレスに返信
    >66
    でも近距離から連射してザク一機を仕留めたシーンあったよね
    79: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:36:24▼このレスに返信
    >72
    でもジムが至近距離から連射してリックドムに効いてなかったよね
    というのもある
    4: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:53:52▼このレスに返信
    頭部(メインカメラ)側部という位置
    6: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:56:09▼このレスに返信

    >4
    何か問題でも?
    5: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:55:20▼このレスに返信
    スレ画の頭部バルカン=アレックスの腕部ガトリング
    7: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:56:41▼このレスに返信
    地味なイメージあるけど直径結構あるんよね
    24: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:05:03▼このレスに返信

    >7
    現実にある30mmのやつ
    100: 名無し 2021/01/12 01:53:48▼このレスに返信
    >7
    RX-78-2の時点で60mm砲
    手持ちの火器は90~120mmとかだから相対的には小さいけど
    対車両くらいなら明らかにオーバーキル
    101: 名無し 2021/01/12 01:57:19▼このレスに返信
    >100
    現実のガトリング砲の2~3倍ぐらいの口径だからマジでやべぇな…
    102: 名無し 2021/01/12 02:04:09▼このレスに返信
    >100
    それを足元のティターンズ兵に打ち込んで大笑いするカミーユさん
    10: 名無し 2021/01/11 23:58:39▼このレスに返信
    ジオンも採用すべきだった
    14: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:00:34▼このレスに返信

    >10
    15: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:01:05▼このレスに返信

    >10
    え?
    18: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:02:13▼このレスに返信

    >10
    22: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:04:15▼このレスに返信

    >10
    26: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:06:02▼このレスに返信

    >10
    37: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:11:19▼このレスに返信

    >10
    40: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:14:49▼このレスに返信

    >10
    12: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:00:21▼このレスに返信
    メインカメラを動かしながら発射するのって大変そう
    16: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:01:49▼このレスに返信
    >12
    トリガー引きながらパイロットが頭動かすだけじゃん
    19: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:03:28▼このレスに返信
    >16
    いや、ついうっかり敵の動きを追いかけすぎて自分の足を撃ったりしないのかな…とか思っただけよ
    23: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:04:42▼このレスに返信
    >19
    セーフティかかるだけだよ
    んでなきゃビームサーベルとかも危なくて使えん
    17: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:02:02▼このレスに返信
    排莢はどっからやってんの?
    20: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:03:46▼このレスに返信
    >17
    スレ画は側頭部後ろ側にある穴
    21: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:03:46▼このレスに返信
    >17
    νの場合は後頭部から
    でも基本的に出ない場合が多いから基本ケースレスなんじゃね
    30: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:08:21▼このレスに返信

    強すぎでしょ…
    46: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:20:56▼このレスに返信
    >30
    初代でもザクはおろかドムすら撃破してるからな
    31: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:09:33▼このレスに返信
    口径考えりゃこれくらい余裕だよ
    むしろザクマシンガンがおかしい
    86: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:50:49▼このレスに返信
    >31
    ガンダムのバルカンが30だか60ミリでザクマシンガンは120ミリだっけ
    ザクマシンガンに耐えるルナチタニウム装甲っておかしくね?
    32: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:09:38▼このレスに返信
    行動阻害とか言い出すとまず頭バルカン撃った側が反動でバク宙止まんなくなるんだよなあ…
    36: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:11:05▼このレスに返信
    >32
    そのためにバーニアや姿勢制御があると思うのよ…
    103: 名無し 2021/01/12 02:04:40▼このレスに返信
    >36
    そもそもバーニアなくてもバク宙にはならないよね
    48: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:23:12▼このレスに返信
    種だとお互いPS装甲で効かないのに牽制で撃ちまくってるよね
    50: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:24:15▼このレスに返信
    >48
    一定以上打撃与えるとバッテリー切れでPS装甲切れるし
    49: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:23:43▼このレスに返信
    生身で当たったら痛そう
    53: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:24:32▼このレスに返信
    >49
    痛みを感じる間もなく弾け飛ぶから痛く無いよ
    57: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:26:07▼このレスに返信

    キタ━━━(゚∀゚)━━━!!
    59: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:26:49▼このレスに返信

    ビームバルカン
    71: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:33:15▼このレスに返信
    >59
    意外と無いよなぁビームバルカンって
    もっと増えてもいいと思うのに00世界以外だとガンプラの奴くらいしかないんじゃないか?
    77: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:36:02▼このレスに返信

    >71
    Gエグゼスもビームバルカンだったな
    94: 名無し 2021/01/12 01:11:19▼このレスに返信

    >77
    MOE版レギルスのはヤケクソみたいな演出になってて笑う
    93: 名無し 2021/01/12 01:06:10▼このレスに返信

    >71
    62: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:28:30▼このレスに返信
    よく思うことだけどこういう機銃で戦車みたいなに重装甲車両を撃ったらどうなるのか
    戦争中絶対にそういう場面はあったと思うんだけど
    98: 名無し 2021/01/12 01:15:11▼このレスに返信
    >62
    正面装甲は無理だけどどうせ上から撃ち下ろせるし天板から余裕で貫通できるんじゃ無い?正面からでも数撃ってればそのうち装甲も割れそう
    73: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:34:30▼このレスに返信
    頭部にある方が射角の自由度高いわけだし
    Mk-2みたいに外付けするのが理想な気がする
    採用例すげー少ないけど
    95: 名無し 2021/01/12 01:11:35▼このレスに返信

    >73
    大ベストセラーではあります
    78: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:36:12▼このレスに返信
    >73
    外付けにするとその分横幅が増えて可動域が減るから悩ましいところ
    80: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:37:59▼このレスに返信
    >78
    時にガンプラやトイだと明らかに干渉して
    稼働範囲狭まるよね…
    87: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:52:54▼このレスに返信
    こんなものを復讐がわりに生身の人間に撃って高笑いしてた少年がいるらしい
    89: 名無し 2021/01/12 00:59:13▼このレスに返信
    >87
    当ててないからセーフ!
    90: 名無し 2021/01/12 01:00:10▼このレスに返信
    >89
    当てなくてもアウトなんだよなぁ…
    109: 名無し 2021/01/12 06:58:50▼このレスに返信
    >89
    破片やらで普通アウトなんだよなぁ…

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 16:10:43 ID:126a3f473            ★コメ返信★

        フォーミュラー戦記ではビームサーベルより頼りになる武器

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 16:46:14 ID:0e37826b4            ★コメ返信★

        PS装甲のバッテリー切れが〜って砂漠編でナタルが言ってたバッテリーが切れるミサイルの量を考えたらバルカンじゃ足りなさすぎるしあくまで牽制でしょ
        なんなら核動力のフリーダムにプロヴィデンスが撃ってたりするし

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 17:11:13 ID:cb6aea442            ★コメ返信★

        バルカンと同じ括りにしていいか分からんけど、ウイングゼロのマシンキャノンもめちゃくちゃ強いんだよな。

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 17:13:13 ID:7f3d1e162            ★コメ返信★

        いくらお互い達人とはいえダメージフィードバック機相手にバルカン使うGガン…しかも普通に避けたりほぼ無傷で耐えたりする

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 17:32:19 ID:77f31271d            ★コメ返信★

        口径はでかいけど砲身長が短いから貫徹力は低そう

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 17:40:02 ID:bd9a1bd5d            ★コメ返信★

        バトオペでは非常にお世話になるバルカン。

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 18:00:01 ID:a06704c20            ★コメ返信★

        スパロボだとほぼ使い道無いけど
        その他のゲームだと有るとそこそこ便利、位のあつかいよね

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 18:00:20 ID:a26df3db8            ★コメ返信★

        60mm口径の弾丸なんて掠っただけでミンチになるで

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 18:40:51 ID:0d32ac2bd            ★コメ返信★

        PSの逆シャアで、敵に組み付いての連射がクソ強かったな

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 18:55:03 ID:9ec080cfd            ★コメ返信★

        スパロボ64ならダミー剥がしに有用だった
        命中率高いし切り払われる心配もないし

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 19:30:42 ID:24cab91a2            ★コメ返信★

        ブラッドレーの25mm機銃でもT-72Mの正面装甲貫通した事例あるからなー
        まあ25mmは劣化ウラン弾頭でT-72Mは輸出用の非複合装甲バージョンだったけども

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 20:15:15 ID:8d147c8b8            ★コメ返信★

        ヘッドバルカンも充分強い…けど他の武装が強すぎて弱く見えてしまうだけ
        問題はフルオートで撃つとあっという間に弾切れになるって事ぐらいか
        咄嗟の時に使う副兵装としては充分過ぎる威力

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 21:53:27 ID:e1985c388            ★コメ返信★

        元スレでもいるけど
        バルカンだけ妙に否定的な人がいるのが面白い
        バク宙とか頭部にあるとか足を撃つとかw

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/12(Tue) 23:55:35 ID:2706d4307            ★コメ返信★

        1年戦争系のアクションゲームだと戦車とかを掃討するのに重宝する頭部バルカン

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/13(Wed) 00:15:25 ID:728c4347c            ★コメ返信★

        現実で一番近いであろうボフォース57mm砲とか動画見てみるとビビる
        全長100mオーバーの駆逐艦の主砲でやんの

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/13(Wed) 04:10:19 ID:69df38a6d            ★コメ返信★

        バルカン使うと必然的に頭がアップになるから印象深くて好き。

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/13(Wed) 13:37:55 ID:5bd0c8fef            ★コメ返信★

        0083ってこんな音だった?

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/13(Wed) 14:42:33 ID:4dcfcd2ad            ★コメ返信★

        ・弾を収納するスペースがない
        ・あんなに短い砲身でMSの主装甲を貫通できるなら、長い砲身の対MS火器の存在価値がない
        ・空気のない宇宙空間では排熱が難しいのにも関わらず、装甲の内部にあれだけ連射速度の高い大口径火器を内蔵することの非合理性。しかも火器管制用のセンサーやカメラ、通信機器等、最優先で冷却しなければならない重要な電子機器が集中している頭部に。
         排莢してないからケースレス弾だと言われてるが、ケースレス弾は排熱が更に遅くなる。

        ジオンがほとんど採用していないのにはまっとうな理由があるな

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/13(Wed) 15:30:01 ID:12bb30dbd            ★コメ返信★

        ジオンが採用しないのはガルマザクで効果無かったから というより強力なそれこそ主兵装といえるほど気合い入ったバルカンと威嚇制圧射撃向けのただのバルカンとではそりゃ差があるからな

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/18(Mon) 13:12:08 ID:6fe99f2b2            ★コメ返信★

        バルカンどころかザクマシンガンも一切効かない金属とかの設定にしちゃったからなぁ
        しかしヒ-ト-ホ-ク、サーベルだと切り裂くことができるからよくわからん
        人間サイズの小型爆弾付けられてもジムですら破壊とか無理だろ

        アニメのご都合演出次第だと言えばそれまでだが

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/01/30(Sat) 14:45:46 ID:e503e6046            ★コメ返信★

        バルカン=多砲身 という世界では無いので(※ファンタジーです)
        そもそも宇宙空間で実体弾をバラ撒くのは危険
        なので現代の兵器よりも実弾兵器の威力が弱体化している説

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2021/03/13(Sat) 15:12:51 ID:84883cdd8            ★コメ返信★

        バルカンでMS落とせるぐらい強いなら機体のサイズもっと小さくした方がいいよな
        バルカンでシールド撃ち抜かれるならシールドもいらんやろっていうw
        装甲は抜けないけど直撃したらセンサーとかスラスター潰せるぐらいにしといてほしいわ

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