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    【ガンダム】ジムはザクと同等の強さ←ビームもってる奴がザクと同等なわけないよな



    9: 名無し 2021/12/13 18:32:47▼このレスに返信
    ジムはもう無茶な後付け設定だらけでわからん
    10: 名無し 2021/12/13 18:33:16▼このレスに返信
    >9
    ジムはもうではなく
    ガンダムという作品全部でそういう感じだからあきらめろ
    37: 名無し 2021/12/13 18:49:53▼このレスに返信
    後付けって言うけどガンダムより劣る性能だが高い生産性で大量配備されてその物量で連邦を勝利に導いたってのは1st当時からずっと変わってないでしょ
    40: 名無し 2021/12/13 18:52:22▼このレスに返信
    後付けしてるのは本編スタッフじゃないし後付け嫌いなら素直に本編だけ楽しんでればいいのよ
    48: 名無し 2021/12/13 18:57:54▼このレスに返信
    同じジム好きでもやられメカとしてのジムが好きな人とかっこいいジムが好きな人とで分かれるよね
    50: 名無し 2021/12/13 18:58:54▼このレスに返信
    >48
    俺はその中間ぐらいがいいな
    ただやられてるだけだと弱い者いじめだし
    活躍してるシーンばかりだといや強すぎだろってなるし
    52: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:00:06▼このレスに返信
    >48
    頑張ってるけど押されるジムが好き
    挙動だけで素人じゃないのが伝わる位の
    53: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:00:25▼このレスに返信
    強そうなデザインの派生よりやっぱりなんか弱そうな感じがあるところが好き
    活躍次第でそれでもかっこよく見えるし
    55: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:01:12▼このレスに返信
    ザクと対等ポジなの文句言ってる子見るけど俺的にジム単体の戦力ってそれぐらいのイメージだわ
    それ以上のドムとかゲルググはジム同士やボールとの連携で倒すイメージ
    58: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:02:20▼このレスに返信
    >55
    後発でしかもガンダムマスプロダクションタイプがそんなゴミな訳ないだろ
    59: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:02:30▼このレスに返信
    >55
    ザクと同等はザニーだな
    ジムはグフ以上ドム未満ぐらいだなー
    リックドムだと互角かちょい上ぐらい
    ゲルググも練度の差で同じぐらいだと思ってる
    60: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:03:08▼このレスに返信
    ビーム持ってる時点でザクと同等ってのは…
    63: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:03:47▼このレスに返信
    >60
    これもよくわからんと言うかザクマシンガン食らったらジムも大体死ぬしそこまで差はなくね？ってなる
    68: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:05:09▼このレスに返信
    >63
    盾がガンダムと同じ奴だから大体死なない
    作劇場の都合で死ぬ事はある
    62: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:03:37▼このレスに返信
    まぁビーム兵器持っててザクと同じっていうのもおかしな話だわな
    ゲームでは無駄に弱くされてるスプレーガンだけど基本一撃なのにはかわりないし
    96: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:13:36▼このレスに返信
    >62
    ゲームだと古くはSDガンダムの時代から
    バランスの関係でザクレベルになってる事多いので
    その印象引っ張ってる人は結構いそう
    100: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:14:36▼このレスに返信
    >96
    SD世代は特にジムをただの雑兵でしかないと思ってる層は多い
    102: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:15:08▼このレスに返信
    >96
    各種ゲームの扱い見る限り公式も初期型ジム=ザクと同等って考えだと思う
    ジム改や各種カスタムが上にひしめき合ってるから余計に
    107: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:17:01▼このレスに返信
    >102
    それは設定考証ではなくゲーム上の都合だから…
    64: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:03:48▼このレスに返信
    ドムは地上だとジム以上なのは誰もが認めるがリックドムはよくて互角レベル
    67: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:04:51▼このレスに返信
    前期ジムと後期ジム一緒にするのが混乱の元でしょ
    今の設定は緊急生産の前期型ジムはザクと同等で正規生産の後期型ジムはドムやゲルググと渡り合えるって設定で固まってる
    70: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:05:56▼このレスに返信
    >67
    まあこれだよな…
    72: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:06:07▼このレスに返信
    >67
    その前期型ジムがあいまいでね
    普通の素にジムが全部前期型でC型（改）やコマンドが後期型に値するのか
    素ジムにも前期型と後期型があるのかという分け方がよくわからんことになってるのが現状
    75: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:07:37▼このレスに返信
    >67
    ちなみにアムロ乗ってないガンダムって後期ジムと同等？それ以下？
    95: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:13:15▼このレスに返信
    >75
    装甲や学習型コンピューターはあるものの単純なスペックでは同等かやや劣るぐらいじゃないかガンダム
    71: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:06:01▼このレスに返信
    軽いガンダムなのにザク並はむしろ酷い
    91: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:12:33▼このレスに返信
    >71
    推力比だとガンダムより身軽なんだよな
    92: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:12:46▼このレスに返信
    ガンダムの戦闘データがフィードバックされてるって考えると普通に強そうに思えるんだよな
    98: 名無し 2021/12/13 19:14:14▼このレスに返信
    もろもろの後付はともかく劇中で一番MS乗ってんのアムロって考えると貢献度高いな…

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 12:15:34 ID：0fa98ccef            ★コメ返信★

        ザニーはザク以下じゃなかったか？
        MSを調査するのに分解したザクを組み直す上で連邦のMSのテストパーツを組み込んだらバランスが悪くなって格闘戦はほぼ不可能って感じだったような
        あれはまさにデカい自走砲台みたいな使い道しかなかったはず

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 12:43:51 ID：e4997fe65            ★コメ返信★

        ザク2はさぁ～＝何型だよ？
        ジムはさぁ～＝何型だよ？

        もはやジムも単一名称ですまない時代の流れが来てるのかもしれない。

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 13:50:04 ID：4c965dddc            ★コメ返信★

        そもそもジムがザクと同じ性能ならザクを量産すればいい
        ザク以上の性能だからジムを量産する意味がある

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 14:13:29 ID：79e4bbd71            ★コメ返信★

        掌でザクマシンガンを弾くクゥエルも歩けばペモペモ音出すんやろな

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 14:14:39 ID：79e4bbd71            ★コメ返信★

        GMとボールで十分ゲルググ位を押し切れるんだよね

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 16:15:03 ID：2c6f6e971            ★コメ返信★

        機体スペックだけならGM＞ザク
        パイロットの実力込みならGM＜ザク

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 16:40:54 ID：f73bc5d77            ★コメ返信★

        ジオンが戦術面で連邦に劣る（基本的にパイロットの腕頼みで連携が取れない）って話もあるから、
        単純にパイロットや機体の性能だけでは測れないかな。

        反応:※8 ※9
      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 17:15:40 ID：7c2687d45            ★コメ返信★

        ※7
        なまじ初期がMS対戦闘機なんていう圧倒的戦力差だったせいか最後まで連携じゃなくて個々で力押しなんだよなジオンは

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 17:30:01 ID：79e4bbd71            ★コメ返信★

        ※7
        黒い三連星は先進的だった？

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 17:58:53 ID：7a25df7a6            ★コメ返信★

        なぜ定期的に同じ話題に？
        ジムが強いと困るやつがいるのか？

        反応:※11
      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 18:56:32 ID：59fe9afb4            ★コメ返信★

        ※10
        いるんだな、これが。具体的にはジオンMSが押しきられてる描写を見たくない連中

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/14(Tue) 23:27:31 ID：84c5c5d04            ★コメ返信★

        ザクとジムが同等なら連邦はどうやって勝ったんだ…

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/15(Wed) 06:48:06 ID：c48f6c2ac            ★コメ返信★

        ボール「（ビグザム以外は）ザクとリックドムしかいない。やるぞ」
        これが初代劇中におけるジオンＭＳの評価
        ジムについてはガンダムに劣るとは言ってない
        装甲材が劣ると言うのは後付け設定だが、ルナチタニウムではないにしてもチタニウムでジオンＭＳのスチールよりは上じゃないの
        そのジオンＭＳだって後期のにはバルカンが効かないとか言ってるし
        ザクマシンガンでジムが倒せるのなら、リックドムも対ＭＳ戦でマシンガンを装備してくるはず
        バズーカを使ってるのはマシンガンでは力不足と言う事だろう

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