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Ζガンダム←こいつが当時批判された理由

1: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:05:02.01 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

なに

3: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:06:13.11 ID:vOj9mD/g0.net▼このレスに返信

長いのにテンポ悪い

5: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:07:30.08 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>3
まあ50話もあればしゃーない

24: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:13:22.22 ID:Akovkn7F0.net▼このレスに返信

小学生ワイ「エゥーゴもティターンズも連邦軍？？」

25: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:13:32.64 ID:jWyUP8red.net▼このレスに返信

ティターンズは連邦なのにモノアイ率高すぎ

6: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:07:57.64 ID:VWsqKGdqM.net▼このレスに返信

MSも敵味方にモノアイがいて子供にはちんぷんかんぷんやのに最終的に三つ巴は難しいで

10: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:08:55.23 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>6
モノアイはエゥーゴとアクシズだけで良かったな
連邦にもティターンズにもおるのは無理がある

21: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:12:43.04 ID:MrSHMGxK0.net▼このレスに返信

出てくるモビルスーツが多すぎてプラモ売りたい欲しか感じられない

7: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:08:06.89 ID:1AyhCa300.net▼このレスに返信

難解すぎる上にヒステリー持ち多すぎ

11: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:10:19.86 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>7
そこまで難解ではないんやけど説明がなさすぎる
ファーストみたいに各話冒頭に世界観の説明入れるべきやった

12: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:10:23.04 ID:Oo++4lhSp.net▼このレスに返信

戦闘がね…

19: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:12:23.99 ID:bBsExHZY0.net▼このレスに返信

毎話名言が生まれるのはホンマすごいと思ったわ
なおハグ

27: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:14:14.37 ID:Oo++4lhSp.net▼このレスに返信

近接はやたら抱き付きが多いんだよなあ
さっさと殺そうぜ

41: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:18:33.35 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>27
抱きつかないとお肌の触れ合い回線でレスバできないからね

そんなとこのリアリティー拘らんくてもええとは思うけど

32: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:15:36.73 ID:MEj4vgn30.net▼このレスに返信

戦闘はグダグダやしアムロはへたれてるし

26: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:13:33.83 ID:L8mGsdUk0.net▼このレスに返信

中盤つまらん

28: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:14:42.93 ID:kEhAFBeqM.net▼このレスに返信

中盤要らん要素多すぎたよな。
でも25話じゃ足りんかったから37話くらいにまとめた方が良かった

35: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:16:11.73 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>26
>>28
Ζに乗り換えてからハマーン出てくるまでの10話くらいはつまらんよな
ハマーン出てからはキリマンジャロダカールロザミィとイベント盛りだくさんなんやけど

14: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:10:58.94 ID:NPSTCtqp0.net▼このレスに返信

言うて当時の作画レベルからしたら良いほうちゃうか？

20: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:12:32.99 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>14
作画はええんやけど戦闘がほぼビーム撃ち合いに終始してるから爽快感に欠ける

まあリアルっちゃリアルなんやけど

37: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:18:05.51 ID:b4ZyhZy9M.net▼このレスに返信

ワイ初見やったけどダレずに見れたで
むしろZZが雰囲気変わりすぎてもはや辛いわ

17: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:11:50.61 ID:zOSkYbc30.net▼このレスに返信

ZZの方が批判されてる

36: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:16:56.01 ID:9oyqanT1r.net▼このレスに返信

女の子はかわいい

46: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:20:35.65 ID:BipIM8kQ0.net▼このレスに返信

zzのギャップにやられて7話で中断してるんやがここから面白くなるんか

49: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:21:35.25 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>46
ハマーンとカミーユとプルツーが出てくる話は面白い

50: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:21:36.11 ID:vF7umy8id.net▼このレスに返信

お前らは今になってガンダムシリーズとして見てるけど
当時のリアルタイム勢はザブングル、ダンバイン、エルガイムから来て富野の新作として見とるからな
そこら辺の焼き直し的な設定多いし

58: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:24:19.32 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>50
シロッコと真ポセイダルは似てるよな

30: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:14:49.27 ID:vF7umy8id.net▼このレスに返信

Ζって内容ほぼ前番組のエルガイムだからな

40: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:18:27.39 ID:0JsU9cMV0.net▼このレスに返信

玩具メーカーにせっつかれながら嫌々作ったから闇冨野になってグダグダで陰鬱な展開になったって話はマジなんか

44: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:20:06.50 ID:l009Tse6r.net▼このレスに返信

>>40
一生ガンダムやらないといけない、他は作らせてもらえない運命を直感したかららしい

42: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:19:10.46 ID:jUITNl9dd.net▼このレスに返信

ぶっちゃけ面白いかと言われると…

52: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:22:28.20 ID:S8MrMA520.net▼このレスに返信

初っ端、しょーもない事で軍人に殴りかかる主人公についていけないでしょ
精神が不安定で観てて疲れる

57: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:24:00.97 ID:0JsU9cMV0.net▼このレスに返信

>>52
当時は切れる子供が社会問題化してたから世相を反映したって事情もあるらしいね

64: 風吹けば名無し 2021/12/18(土) 16:25:28.42 ID:c+hQNR+80.net▼このレスに返信

健常者が少なすぎて見てて疲れる

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1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 20:06:14 ID：871fc08db ★コメ返信★

きれいに終わったので続編なんていらないから

反応:※8 ※9 ※18
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 20:18:12 ID：9f145acb8 ★コメ返信★

子供心にヤザンが「あれ？悪役だけどまともな大人だ」って思った記憶
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 20:29:07 ID：5f301bdc4 ★コメ返信★

>記事58
似てはいるけど、真ポセイダルからマイルドに劣化しててラスボス感が薄いのよ。
ポセイダルの方ほヤーマン族への怨恨もあったりするわけだけども、シロッコはマジで目的も動機もフワフワしすぎてなぁ・・・
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 20:31:10 ID：2e7737164 ★コメ返信★

アムロとかカツとか、元ホワイトベースクルーの扱いがひどかったな
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 20:34:22 ID：69443ba06 ★コメ返信★

今じゃ考えられないだろうなって笑ってたけど当時Zの顔がガンダムの顔じゃ無くなったのが嫌だったって聞いたことがある
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 20:44:41 ID：7a4cb8651 ★コメ返信★

理屈付けしてたけどしょんべんビームがとにかく苛つく
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 20:57:32 ID：7a4cb8651 ★コメ返信★

>記事27
抱きつきグセが有るの、カミーユとジェリドくらいじゃね？
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 20:59:30 ID：7a4cb8651 ★コメ返信★

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キレイに終わっても次の戦争に備えなきゃ…というのがモデルにした実世界だったから、冷戦期の陰謀論みたいな軍産複合体とか出してみたよ！
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 21:01:40 ID：669cdcbcb ★コメ返信★

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希望の光見えるファーストのEDからキチガイ共が陰鬱なバトルを繰り広げるZへ
Z暗くし過ぎた反動てZZ序盤はギャグアニメに
見てる方も精神が揺さぶられる三部作
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 21:21:57 ID：8ff1feae0 ★コメ返信★

単純に主人公のカミーユに同情出来ずらい。
アムロ越えのニュータイプという扱いが特に。
そして廃人エンド。言い方を悪くすれば責任と義務と権利の破棄は見ていて良いモノではない。

監督の全てをぶっ壊す意志を反映した結果がそのまま出た感じ。
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 21:22:19 ID：54cd2d4c9 ★コメ返信★

ファーストとゼータしかないって考えると双方はデザインから物語までいろんなものがだいぶ違う
ましてや前年がエルガイムだろ？
そっちに寄り過ぎだ
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 21:29:16 ID：b6accfdaf ★コメ返信★

やはり「続編」という制約に縛られて、敷居を高くしてしまったのが一番の原因ではないかと
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 21:59:57 ID：b9e49649a ★コメ返信★

脚本家あたりに物言える人がいなかったからね
富野は誰かとぶつかりながらとか制限あるほうがいいもの作る
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 22:00:27 ID：e0ab6ad26 ★コメ返信★

戦闘がつまんねぇんだよな
組み付いてばっかで

反応:※26
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/19(Sun) 22:57:14 ID：638a4ec3a ★コメ返信★

話の流れが今一ついていけなかったな。特に地球に降りてからの展開がね…
何となく場当たり的に行動している様にしか見えない味方陣営と基本遭遇戦中心の何時もの富野節や、
エゥーゴは軍隊ではないとか言っているのも混乱の理由の１つよね。
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 01:41:01 ID：a73d4887d ★コメ返信★

戦闘が地味だなとは思ってた
ビームライフルの音は弱そうになってるし
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 06:01:07 ID：cf7151acb ★コメ返信★

いきなり軍人に殴りかかる主人公もアレだけど、初っ端から連邦軍が悪役ってのもついていきにくかった
確かに初代をちゃんと見てれば連邦にも問題があるのはわかるけど、明らかにザビ家ジオンの方が悪役で連邦側は普通にイヤな人もいるって程度だったわけだから
主人公は最初は連邦側だけど、いろいろある内にティターンってヤバいんじゃ？…ってなってくくらいが良かったんじゃないかと
まあ少年主人公をいきなりＭＳに乗せて戦わせるには反体制側のがいいし、この展開じゃダグラムだろってなるけど
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 07:28:11 ID：6306ebc31 ★コメ返信★

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オーディションでこれ言う度胸よ
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 09:45:16 ID：bd540fbe8 ★コメ返信★

「新主人公を食っちゃうから」とアムロを出し渋った結果、旧作ファンから猛攻撃される羽目に
出番を絞りに絞る前提ならディジェじゃなくてもうちょいカッコいいMSを用意してやってもバチは当たらなかった
20. 名前:がんたんく投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 10:48:25 ID：0f86ddff9 ★コメ返信★

当時私は中学生　初代は超人気だったがゼータは大外れ　特にカミーユのキャラに人気がなくクラスで最後まで見たのはアニメおたくの奴ただ一人　私も含めみんな途中で見なくなった　とにかくつまらなかった　超がっかりした

反応:※25
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 11:09:24 ID：6f5900dcb ★コメ返信★

戦闘が問答からの絡みつき一辺倒でつまらんのがロボアニメとして致命的だと思った
あとシナリオの中弛みの割に後半の駆け足具合が酷い
期待してる落差で中弛みを感じるんじゃなくてほんとに後半の〆にも絡んでこないようなエピソードが入る
Zの時点で既に後の冨野系ガンダムの悪評部分の片鱗出てたと思う
22. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 14:01:04 ID：01e801a9a ★コメ返信★

逆に今神格化されてることの方が不思議だよ
機体デザイン以外にいいところねえじゃん
23. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 14:07:06 ID：5b51444b1 ★コメ返信★

１ｓｔの再来を期待する人たちに、とにかく肩透かしさせよう、
例えコロされても期待どおりになんぞしてやるかという
凄まじい執念を感じた。
かつての英雄はヘボで情けなくなり、だからといって若き主人公に全て切り替えできるほど
新キャラたちにも魅力はなく、またヘボなアムロやシャアも
時々ちゃんとしたところを見せて、こちらがすっぱり切り捨てられないよう
中途半端な状態を保ち続けていた。
24. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 16:32:51 ID：6440d25b9 ★コメ返信★

個人的に気楽に見られないのがキツい
従来のロボットアニメっていう下敷きがあるからボーッと見ててもなんとなく分かる1stと違って、連続性が強くて一回見逃すとつながらない、説明も控えめで顔と名前が一致しないZは追ってて頭痛くなってくる
初見だと歴史分からない状態で大河ドラマ見るような気分を味わえる
25. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 19:16:10 ID：71e85cfd7 ★コメ返信★

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Zの初回視聴率15%
最終回の視聴率5%だからなw

一年で視聴率が10%も落ちたのはZとアトムだけ
(ただしアトムは40→30%)

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26. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 23:04:34 ID：6dca79a1e ★コメ返信★

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肌と肌でスキンシップがしたいんだよ、メカでも(笑)？
テレヒ神奈川の再放送だと、レコア少尉のメッサーラにZがモリアオガエルみたいに食っ付いてた(笑)!
27. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 23:07:06 ID：6dca79a1e ★コメ返信★

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実は当時の最大の敵は、「ファミコン」！
ま、購買層の大半が、ゲームに流れ、ロボットアニメが廃れる原因に。
って10年くらい前のモデグラに。

反応:※28 ※29
28. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/20(Mon) 23:21:37 ID：42bbf0a12 ★コメ返信★

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それってあさのまさひことか有名なモデラーの方々が対談してた「８０年代ロボアニメ特集」のこと？
29. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/12/21(Tue) 01:48:06 ID：dfa5711b6 ★コメ返信★

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ZZは視聴率8%にアップしてるからファミコン関係ない
30. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/02/17(Thu) 18:31:37 ID：3db0db127 ★コメ返信★

かと言って、この段階でGの様に全て一旦リセットを掛けて大胆に紡ぎ直せるか？と言うと・・・
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