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指揮官機が見た目でわかりやすいと標的になるよな？



1: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:07:44▼このレスに返信

指揮官機スレ
13: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:15:20▼このレスに返信
パッと見で指揮官機ってわかるのって実際にはどうなんだろう
奇襲の際とかどいつ狙えばいいか丸わかりになりそうだけど
14: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:16:07▼このレスに返信

>13
誰を狙えばいいかわかるまい
17: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:17:57▼このレスに返信
>13
ベトナム戦争では無線機背負ったやつが狙われたって話あったなぁ
18: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:17:58▼このレスに返信

>13
視覚的に戦意を喪失させる効果もある
20: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:18:22▼このレスに返信
>13
味方からもわかりやすいので編隊組むときの目印にもなったりする
28: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:21:23▼このレスに返信
>20
連邦艦隊がソーラ・レイぶち込まれて大損害出した時は
わかりやすいWBを中心に陣形組み直すからから動くなって指示されてる描写あったね
21: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:18:39▼このレスに返信
中世の武士が兜に派手な前立てつけるようなもんじゃろうか
24: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:19:59▼このレスに返信
>21
まあザクとかジオン系の場合はちゃんと意味があるんだけどね角
38: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:25:12▼このレスに返信
>21
その時代なら視認され証人が多ければ論功行賞に有利に働くから目立つのは分かる
47: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:29:30▼このレスに返信

>21
騎士もそうだな
鉄砲とか双眼鏡とか通信機とか色々出て来て「指揮官目立たない方が良くね？」ってなってからは今の軍隊みたいに全員同じ格好になった
22: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:19:09▼このレスに返信
赤とかのバカみたいに目立つ色してるのは奇襲で狙われても回避できる自身の表れなのかもしれん
5: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:10:05▼このレスに返信
ツノつけたら指揮官機のジオンわかりやすくていいよね
連邦もなんかあればいいのに
27: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:20:37▼このレスに返信

指揮官機ってわかり易すぎて真っ先に撃破されるのも考えものである
32: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:22:40▼このレスに返信
>27
わかりやすいというよりイグルーのそのジムはわかりやすく周りに指示していたんだよ
29: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:21:59▼このレスに返信
粒子でまともにレーダーきかないから視認しやすくしてると思ってた
31: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:22:15▼このレスに返信
通信能力強化にアンテナつけますってミノ粉下で意味あんの？
33: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:23:01▼このレスに返信
>31
あるからつけてるじゃない
34: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:23:50▼このレスに返信
>33
だったらみんな付けたらいいじゃない
ってならない？
44: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:27:20▼このレスに返信
>34
ジオンは連邦と違って貧乏やねん
37: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:25:12▼このレスに返信
>31
濃い霧みたいに遠くからだと見えんけどごく近くは見えるみたいなもんじゃない？
濃度にもよるだろうけど遠くの通信できんけど近くはできるとかさ
45: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:29:06▼このレスに返信
>31
ミノ粉の主な効果はレーダー波のかく乱であって通信妨害は副次的なものに過ぎない
味方同士みたいな近距離なら通信も通じやすくなるしそのためにアンテナ強化するのは理に適っている
35: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:24:21▼このレスに返信
濃くなると無理だけど薄い時に使ってんじゃない
いつでもどこでも戦闘濃度なわけじゃないし
36: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:24:37▼このレスに返信
ミノ粉下で通信が出来ない状況が多いから
指揮官機を視認できるようにするのは重要なのでは
39: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:25:17▼このレスに返信
見えたところで通信が出来なきゃ指揮官の意味がない気はする
43: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:27:20▼このレスに返信
>39
光学的に認識できればハンドサインとかで何とか…
遠くてわかりにくかったらポーズで…
48: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:29:34▼このレスに返信
>43
OOなんかは光通信使ったりしてたな
41: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:27:09▼このレスに返信
ドレンも艦船のレーダー備えててもガンダムどこだってなってるくらいだしな
52: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:33:05▼このレスに返信
ミノ粉も撒きすぎたら連携まともにとれなくなるから諸刃の剣的なとこあるんだよな
40: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:26:33▼このレスに返信
アニメ見てる限り普通に通信してる気がしてならない
してるよね？
59: 名無し 2022/06/12 15:40:16▼このレスに返信
軍事的な理屈よりアニメ的な理屈が優先されるのだ
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  1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 09:54:15 ID：f6e17bb65            ★コメ返信★

    トールギスなんてセンサーに目隠ししてでもマスクと一体型の鶏冠付けるし、なんかすぐには理解しづらい意味があるんだろう

  2. 2. 名前:ななし 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 09:54:41 ID：7d9b8d308            ★コメ返信★

    当たらなければどうということはない

  3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 09:57:38 ID：ca1080e43            ★コメ返信★

    スレ画の人やレイヤーは頻繁に通信電波発信してる個体が指揮官機だと割り出してたな

  4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 09:58:18 ID：82a951f8c            ★コメ返信★

    ミノ粉とかいうその場の雰囲気で効果変わるもんを真面目に考えても無駄無駄無駄

    反応:※6 ※7 ※23
  5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 10:01:50 ID：f6e17bb65            ★コメ返信★

    まあ、アンテナの一部から電波以外にも不可視領域の発光信号出してるとでも思っておけば…

  6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 10:03:21 ID：f6e17bb65            ★コメ返信★

    ※4
    まあ、この手の作品って戦争相手の通信画面に割り込んで相互通信出来たりもするしな

  7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 10:06:24 ID：b58cd9d57            ★コメ返信★

    ※4
    通信は光や量子で解決だしレーダー阻害も攻略可能になったから機械自体が誤作動起こしますとかなってるもんな

  8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 10:26:18 ID：9cb05ff65            ★コメ返信★

    数十数百人の部隊の指揮官狙うのは意味あるけど

    MS数体の指揮官とかあえて狙う意味ってあんまないよな、MS戦は乱戦だから逆に危ないし

  9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 10:33:55 ID：32115d9d2            ★コメ返信★

    山本五十六も分かってて狙われたんだよね。無線も全部傍受されてたし。

    反応:※11
  10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 10:53:52 ID：18e1c6e1d            ★コメ返信★

    指揮官じゃなく隊長機だろ
    隊長任せられる人材ならそこそこ腕は立つだろうから早々落ちん
    何なら自分を囮に部下に倒させる戦法も使える
    狙われたくないならそもそも戦場に出てくんなって話

  11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 11:31:18 ID：911f38a4a            ★コメ返信★

    ※9
    山本を狙う必要の有無の会議で、相手が山本だと与しやすくやりやすいから放置って意見が強かったのに対して「こいつが一番優秀だから、指揮官後退すればもっとやりやすくなるで」って意見が出たことで狙うことにした悲しさ。

  12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 11:55:11 ID：133670825            ★コメ返信★

    平隊員よりは分厚い封筒もらってるだろうから
    多少は命張れよって意味もあるんじゃないかな

    反応:※13
  13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 12:03:25 ID：f6e17bb65            ★コメ返信★

    ※12
    振り込みだろ

  14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 12:07:08 ID：69fb3f8d4            ★コメ返信★

    現実の戦でも大将はわざわざ目立つような恰好してたし戦闘状態を早期終結させるための暗黙の了解とか根底にあってもおかしくない

  15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 12:15:13 ID：206d49687            ★コメ返信★

    ツノはともかく、緑色のMS部隊の中に一機だけ真っ赤とか指揮官アッピールが過ぎるだろ。
    色盲で区別付かない人もいるらしいが・・・わいの弟とか・・・

  16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 12:35:08 ID：69ae21087            ★コメ返信★

    独軍の降下猟兵の指揮官は、部下の全員が降下し終えるまで、戦場の只中で直立してたんだよ。
    撃たれれば、どこに敵がいるか味方は知ることができる。ただそれだけのために。

  17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 12:54:21 ID：adb4b2aac            ★コメ返信★

    でも角をつけると３倍速くなるってシャアが

    反応:※18
  18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 13:31:44 ID：bbf55a822            ★コメ返信★

    ※17
    いや3倍の秘密は色なんだ、ピンクっぽいところがミソでジョニーは真紅だから3倍になれない
    それはともかく、腕の立つエースはわざと敵の攻撃を自分に向けさせて部下が撃たれにくいようにするとか何とか

    反応:※20
  19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 14:00:18 ID：a83d2babd            ★コメ返信★

    指揮官やエースパイロットが近くで戦ってるぞ！俺もやるぜ！みたいに士気を高めるのが目的とか

  20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 14:05:57 ID：f6e17bb65            ★コメ返信★

    ※18
    赤方偏移で遠ざかる方向に速いんじゃね

  21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 14:36:15 ID：02c53952d            ★コメ返信★

    UC世界で理屈をつけるとしたら、狙われることより味方への指令伝達を優先したって事だろ

    ミノ粉がまかれてる戦場では至近距離か触れ合わないと相互通信ができない。前時代的なジェスチャーや発光信号で指示出してるんだもん、誰の指示に従えばいいかぐらい一目で分かるようにしとかんと指示が伝わりにくかったんだろ

    特にジオンは当初優勢だったから狙われることはあまり考えてなかったし、英雄を祭り上げることによる戦意高揚にも熱心だった。逆に連邦軍は優れた指揮や士気より、数で圧し潰せってことで量産性を優先したんだろ

    反応:※24
  22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 15:40:15 ID：5c756f8e7            ★コメ返信★

    みんなと同じように、目立たなくってのは長距離戦が主体の時の話
    近距離なら敵味方などの識別とかの方が大事
    戦列歩兵が派手で目立つのは当時の銃の精度が低いので事実上の近距離戦だから

  23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 16:11:36 ID：ac7af2018            ★コメ返信★

    ※4
    マジで脚本のための道具だからな
    都合よく使えないとMSいらんくね？ってなる

  24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 16:12:20 ID：ac7af2018            ★コメ返信★

    ※21
    ファーストだとだいたいどこにいてもWBと通信出来てるけどな

    反応:※25
  25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/13(Mon) 21:39:44 ID：02c53952d            ★コメ返信★

    ※24
    きっとWBは素人集団だからミノ粉を散布し忘れてるんだよ、もしくは年代的にコスモクリーナーDを装備して除去してるのかもしれない

    反応:※26
  26. 26. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/14(Tue) 09:29:14 ID：25d8c301f            ★コメ返信★

    ※25
    少なくとも地上で浮いている間はミノフスキー散布してるんじゃないの？

  27. 27. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/06/15(Wed) 08:57:17 ID：5af0f2e0c            ★コメ返信★

    ソ連の戦車、通信機を指揮車両にのみ搭載して走らせてたら狙い撃ちされてボロボロだったって話あったね

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