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【ガンダム】戦う側それぞれに正義があるってのは後付だよね？

1: 無念 2018/11/27 10:22:51 No.601559390 ▼このレスに返信

ガンダムは正義は一つじゃない戦う側それぞれに正義があるってのは後付だよね
だってオープニングで明確に正義の怒りをぶつけろガンダムって言っててそれってそれまでのロボアニメの敵味方正義と悪って構図をそのままもってきてるわけですよね

2: 無念 2018/11/27 10:25:18 No.601559596 ▼このレスに返信

表面上はそうしとかないとスポンサーが金出してくれないからね

3: 無念 2018/11/27 10:25:30 No.601559619 ▼このレスに返信

>だってオープニングで
何年前のアニメだと思ってる？
歌に関しては当時からしたらそういう歌で良いだろって渡されたんだろう

6: 無念 2018/11/27 10:30:08 No.601560049 ▼このレスに返信

正義の怒りを誰にぶつけろとは言ってない

7: 無念 2018/11/27 10:30:59 No.601560114 ▼このレスに返信

3機の合体ロボットで組み換え遊びもできます（大嘘）

10: 無念 2018/11/27 10:34:11 No.601560400 ▼このレスに返信

>3機の合体ロボットで組み換え遊びもできます（大嘘）
ガンダムタンクは出来るだろう！

28: 無念 2018/11/27 10:49:09 No.601561902 ▼このレスに返信

>3機の合体ロボットで組み換え遊びもできます（大嘘）
クローバー「よくもぼくをォ！！だましたなァ！！」

12: 無念 2018/11/27 10:34:37 No.601560440 ▼このレスに返信

どっちかというと最新鋭の兵器なのによみがえるよみがえるのほうが腑に落ちない

14: 無念 2018/11/27 10:35:59 No.601560575 ▼このレスに返信

>どっちかというと最新鋭の兵器なのによみがえるよみがえるのほうが腑に落ちない
マグネットコーティングでよみがえったよ！

15: 無念 2018/11/27 10:37:04 No.601560686 ▼このレスに返信

>どっちかというと最新鋭の兵器なのによみがえるよみがえるのほうが腑に落ちない
作品が打ち切りから人気アニメによみがえったよ！

48: 無念 2018/11/27 11:19:27 No.601564725 ▼このレスに返信

>どっちかというと最新鋭の兵器なのによみがえるよみがえるのほうが腑に落ちない
燃え上がるのも蘇るのと銀河に向かって飛ぶのもシリーズ全体含めればやるし…

51: 無念 2018/11/27 11:21:35 No.601564955 ▼このレスに返信

>燃え上がるのも蘇るのと銀河に向かって飛ぶのもシリーズ全体含めればやるし…
ほんとだ
ファースト主題歌にはシリーズ展開の要素が既に！

27: 無念 2018/11/27 10:48:26 No.601561825 ▼このレスに返信

渦巻く血潮燃やせガンダム銀河に向かって翔べよガンダム

29: 無念 2018/11/27 10:50:28 No.601562020 ▼このレスに返信

怒りに燃える闘志もあった

57: 無念 2018/11/27 11:30:16 No.601565836 ▼このレスに返信

>怒りに燃える闘志
冒険王版が大体忠実

33: 無念 2018/11/27 10:53:01 No.601562268 ▼このレスに返信

これはアムロの歌であるのだ

46: 無念 2018/11/27 11:13:49 No.601564205 ▼このレスに返信

>これはアムロの歌であるのだ
自分を奮い立たせる為に口遊むとか？
一種のウォークライ

35: 無念 2018/11/27 10:56:01 No.601562558 ▼このレスに返信

実際燃え上がってるガンダムってファントムくらいか

43: 無念 2018/11/27 11:09:00 No.601563766 ▼このレスに返信

>実際燃え上がってるガンダムってファントムくらいか

49: 無念 2018/11/27 11:19:28 No.601564729 ▼このレスに返信

銀河に向かって翔んだガンダム

53: 無念 2018/11/27 11:26:58 No.601565485 ▼このレスに返信

銀河に向かって飛べって言ってるけど宇宙だと景色が変わり映えしないので地球に下ろすね…

55: 無念 2018/11/27 11:28:10 No.601565604 ▼このレスに返信

正義の怒りをぶつけたガンダムってどれだろ
インパルス？

58: 無念 2018/11/27 11:31:31 No.601565973 ▼このレスに返信

>正義の怒りをぶつけたガンダムってどれだろ
カミーユさんがMk2盗んで即カミーユ的正義をぶつけてたよ

60: 無念 2018/11/27 11:35:27 No.601566379 ▼このレスに返信

熱血アムロならギレンも自ら倒してたろうな

63: 無念 2018/11/27 11:40:40 No.601566928 ▼このレスに返信

>熱血アムロならギレンも自ら倒してたろうな

62: 無念 2018/11/27 11:35:57 No.601566436 ▼このレスに返信

人類５０億殺した時点でジオンに正義はないすぎる

64: 無念 2018/11/27 11:41:40 No.601567027 ▼このレスに返信

>人類５０億殺した時点でジオンに正義はないすぎる
まー地軸ガ―とかはあったろうが
本来はジャブロー狙って落としたのを防衛したらバラバラになって地球中に被害拡大したってオチだし

65: 無念 2018/11/27 11:42:09 No.601567069 ▼このレスに返信

>本来はジャブロー狙って落としたのを防衛したらバラバラになって地球中に被害拡大したってオチだし
くそっ！連邦軍め！

70: 無念 2018/11/27 12:21:35 No.601571756 ▼このレスに返信

富野的にはジオンは絶対悪だと思うよ
たまに良い人はいるよってだけで

72: 無念 2018/11/27 12:24:54 No.601572280 ▼このレスに返信

とは言っても連邦というか主人公サイド一辺倒な感じはするがな
ぶっちゃけそれまでのアニメのオープニングとそんな変わらないと言うか…

74: 無念 2018/11/27 12:26:22 No.601572516 ▼このレスに返信

巨大な敵を撃てよ!って言ってるけど怒りに燃える闘志があるならって前提付きだったり意外と奥が深い

75: 無念 2018/11/27 12:27:17 No.601572678 ▼このレスに返信

そもそも正義も悪もねーよって話だが

87: 無念 2018/11/27 12:42:04 No.601575086 ▼このレスに返信

打ち切りじゃなければ
割と勧善懲悪なラストだった

90: 無念 2018/11/27 12:43:32 No.601575322 ▼このレスに返信

>打ち切りじゃなければ
>割と勧善懲悪なラストだった
海のトリトンで最終回の脚本ゴミ箱に捨てて絵コンテで全く別物に変えた人なので、ぶっちゃけアテにならない

94: 無念 2018/11/27 12:46:27 No.601575778 ▼このレスに返信

>打ち切りじゃなければ
>割と勧善懲悪なラストだった
青葉区戦で今の僕なら真の敵も倒せそうな気がするとか言ってるのは
話数カットで取り残されちゃったんだな

124: 無念 2018/11/27 17:17:43 No.601609630 ▼このレスに返信

>打ち切りじゃなければ
>割と勧善懲悪なラストだった
アムロの倒さねばならぬが妙にツボった

115: 無念 2018/11/27 13:31:14 No.601581600 ▼このレスに返信

それぞれの正義を掲げてるけどジオン側の理念は憎しみの正当化でしかないと考えると
サイコフレームの光であっさり浄化された一般兵のことも理解できなくもない

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2018/11/28(Wed) 07:23:15 ID：0eec4b799 ★コメ返信★

まあそーだが、
でもジオンって独裁政権だしギレンは人種主義で粛清目論んでましたよね？
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2018/11/28(Wed) 09:14:45 ID：54476a76a ★コメ返信★

他人の正義に期待し過ぎてるから正義に難癖付けたがる
自分の正義を持って暴走してみれば
世の中の正義がどうなってるかなんてすぐわかるやで
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2018/11/28(Wed) 09:42:09 ID：1c6b0fb19 ★コメ返信★

連邦側の戦意高揚歌だと思えば。
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2018/11/28(Wed) 17:10:48 ID：bb130da4a ★コメ返信★

木星戦役のときも
サイコフレームの輝き()
があれば敵が戦意喪失
したのかな？
ドゥガチとかどうしようも
ないと思うやで
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2018/11/30(Fri) 01:28:20 ID：ff1cecb1d ★コメ返信★

どちらにも正義があるんじゃなくて、どっちにも正義は無いってのがガンダムだと思うよ。
ニュータイプ理論を掲げてスペースノイドの地位向上と人類の革新を願ったジオンダイクンを暗殺して己が野望の為にその死を利用し戦争をおこしたザビ家と、そもそもそんな状況を産むまでに腐敗していた連邦との戦争だから。
そんな救いの無い世界において、生き抜く若者と人類の革新を探るってのがガンダムを通したテーマだと思うしね。

反応:※6
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ダイクンの死は「作中における共通認識」ではザビ家の暗殺だけど、「設定上の真相」はただの自然死だぞ。
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あれって自分の正義を相手の正義にぶつけろって意味だったんじゃない？悪は滅ぼせって言ってる訳じゃないし、あの歌詞＝戦う側それぞれに正義があるってことの否定にはならないだろ。
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