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    【ガンダム】モビルスーツが人間みたいな武器を持っている理由←これ合理的に説明できる？



    1: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:49:01▼このレスに返信

    モビルスーツってなんで人間みたいな武器持ってるんだろう
    繊細なマニピュレータを武器の固定だけに使うってのも不思議だし…
    メタ視点ではなく…何か合理的な言い訳を…
    3: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:53:10▼このレスに返信
    操作するのが人間なんだからその延長線上で人型兵器に人用武装になるのは道理
    4: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:53:24▼このレスに返信
    繊細なマニピュレーターを使ってコロニー進入作業を行ってたのは本編でもやっていたことだぞ
    8: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:56:47▼このレスに返信
    >4
    思いっきり第一話じゃんね
    9: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:56:52▼このレスに返信
    もともと作業機だし
    10: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:57:33▼このレスに返信
    作業用マニュピレーターの有効活用…
    31: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:04:35▼このレスに返信
    元々はスペースコロニー建設の汎用重機として開発されてるからな
    作業ポッドだと無重力から重力地帯に簡単には対応しきれない
    15: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:59:36▼このレスに返信
    まぁ武器腕なり肩武器なりにした方が命中精度は上がりそうではある
    つまりみんなキャノン
    21: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:01:54▼このレスに返信
    >15
    携行武器の進化とか戦車で良くね？ってなったせいで～キャノンって流行らなくなっちゃったんだよね
    ユニコーンのお供ってお仕事が決まってるジェスタとかならアリみたいだけど
    11: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:57:58▼このレスに返信
    マニュピレータが必要である便利であることと火器はハードポイントにくっつけりゃ済むじゃねーかってのは別問題だとは思うんだよな
    手持ちするとブレの問題とかさありそうじゃない
    別のところに真っ直ぐ固定で取替も出来るよってほうが良さそうではあるよな
    その取り替えをマニュピレータでやるとか
    5: 名無し 2018/09/08 09:54:02▼このレスに返信
    指一本欠けても武器持つのに難儀するしな
    その割にパイロットはステゴロ好きだったりするし
    24: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:02:44▼このレスに返信
    >5
    MSの指がかけてるシーンなんてあったかな…あったとしても稀と言えるケースでしょ
    指に十分な耐久性持たせられるから指なんてつけてるんじゃないの
    27: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:03:56▼このレスに返信
    何故か殴り合い好きなのはマニュピレーターが異常な強度を持ってると考える他仕方ないよね
    44: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:08:00▼このレスに返信
    >27
    MSでパンチなんか食らわすのアムロさんだけだし…
    25: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:03:32▼このレスに返信
    マニュピレータが手の形だから畜生！ってシーンがないから特に問題起きないんじゃないかな
    69: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:14:41▼このレスに返信
    殴ったりするくらい頑丈な手が開発出来たらこれになんでもやらせた方が効率いいってなるのかも
    20: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:01:31▼このレスに返信
    宇宙世紀的には人型に武器持たすのが最適解なんだよ
    33: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:05:34▼このレスに返信
    18mの巨体なのに武器は手で扱う範囲だけってのはアンバランスに感じたな
    水泳部やネオジオンの重火力機はこれを解決してるんだけどスタンダードにはならんかった
    19: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:00:37▼このレスに返信
    そこらへんの汎用性をある程度割り切ったMAってのが別にいるもんね
    29: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:04:25▼このレスに返信
    戦場で手渡ししたり拾ったりするだけで両機が武器を使えるのが一番でかいと思う
    固定式じゃこうはいかない
    39: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:06:54▼このレスに返信
    >29
    本来ならキャノン砲装備の機体とかわざわざ作んなくていいよね
    45: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:08:04▼このレスに返信
    >39
    手持ちと固定どっちかにする理由があるならともかくどっちもつけるのは悪いことじゃないのでは
    28: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:03:59▼このレスに返信
    手の形してないと牛を持つのも難しいしな
    63: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:13:20▼このレスに返信
    ミノフスキー粒子下ではMSによるハンドサインも伝達手段として有効だから
    そのためには人と同じ5本指が必要
    と今考えた
    252: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:47:40▼このレスに返信
    ハンドサインは非戦闘用も含めてマニュピレーターが使われる理由として中々良いと思う
    103: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:18:24▼このレスに返信
    ビーム兵器が連射できない事をエネルギーパック換装で解決できたのは
    マニュピレーターがそれだけ自由に動かせるからだし…
    112: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:19:43▼このレスに返信
    触れるだけで斬れるビームサーベルなんかはぐりぐり動く手に持たせたほうがいいとは思う
    78: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:15:38▼このレスに返信
    ちゃんと人型ロボらしく戦闘以外でも役に立ってる描写ほしいんだけど
    そういうのってもうお禿ぐらいしかやってくれないんだよなあ
    94: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:17:09▼このレスに返信
    >78
    仮にも戦争の話でその辺をユーモラスな感じにしちゃうのは抵抗ある人が多いんだろうか
    135: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:23:42▼このレスに返信
    νガンダムの背面バズーカ撃ちみたいな
    ロボの武器は手で撃つものみたいなのをあえて外してくるシーンでおっ！ってなる
    223: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:40:51▼このレスに返信
    ガンダム作中だと別に人型であることには拘ってないからな
    226: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:41:25▼このレスに返信
    >223
    足がついてない…
    227: 名無し 2018/09/08 10:41:58▼このレスに返信
    >226
    あんなの飾りです
    大佐にはわからんのです

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 12:11:05 ID：78b99ab62            ★コメ返信★

        専用ライフル以外の手持ち火器がないMSが大半で活かせてないけど
        マニピュレータの仕様が統一されていれば異機種間で武器を共有できて
        状況に合わせてその場その場で持ち替えられるメリットがある
        サーベルやバズーカがその最たるもの

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 12:18:41 ID：4af8f4e39            ★コメ返信★

        よくわからん四角い箱から弾やらビームやら出るより銃って形にした方がわかりやすいし同じ仕組みのデカいだけなら整備もわかりやすいはず

        反応:※6
      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 12:19:14 ID：68ace19df            ★コメ返信★

        SF小説に出てくるパワードスーツをイメージ
        ってデカすぎる

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 12:52:36 ID：b04866619            ★コメ返信★

        無線通信がほとんど機能しないからマニュピレータで操作するほうが信頼性が高い
        ↓
        インターフェース考えるのめんどくさいから取り敢えず歩兵の装備そのまま大きくしたらヨシ！

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 13:12:49 ID：3f745eb58            ★コメ返信★

        キュベみたいな全部内蔵してる機体がスマートで好き

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 14:16:38 ID：01bec14c0            ★コメ返信★

        ※2
        現実だと逆だけどな。
        小さい機構と大きい機構は全然別物だから、形だけ似せられると整備しにくい。
        大きいものは大きいなりに合理的な形をすべき。
        小さいものをスケールアップしただけだと維持しにくい。

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 14:38:15 ID：95ac72fd9            ★コメ返信★

        人型が持ってる故に射角や銃口の高さが自由に変えられるのは明確なメリットよ
        戦車が立ち上がって撃ち下ろし出来たり、塹壕から砲塔だけ出して撃てるのなら話は別だが…

        反応:※8
      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 15:11:42 ID：01bec14c0            ★コメ返信★

        ※7
        第五世代戦車は車高変更したり、曲射と直射撃ち分けて戦車塹壕から頭だけ出したり稜線向こうを攻撃できるのが出てきたね。

        反応:※9
      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 18:27:54 ID：0d319fa53            ★コメ返信★

        ※8
        冷戦中から振り子式車体のような「ころ」軸受け砲塔は研究されてたな。まあ首振りで耐久性が落ちるってのと、自走砲で曲射した方が早いってので実用化されなかったが

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 19:01:51 ID：dcab5ec0a            ★コメ返信★

        フィンガーバルカン「えっ？人間って指から弾丸が飛ばせるんですか？」

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 22:59:27 ID：2cbb896b8            ★コメ返信★

        リアリティラインというかフィクションラインというか、そういうものとの兼ね合いだよなー
        あんまり人間の装備をスケールアップしただけのものを使ってたら違和感あるし

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/25(Fri) 23:20:12 ID：eb65357bb            ★コメ返信★

        >記事223
        人型に拘らないってかMSは人型が当たり前だからわざわざ口に出す必要がないだけでは

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/26(Sat) 19:37:54 ID：6ce6bf5e9            ★コメ返信★

        >記事44
        アニメではないけど
        ユージ・アルカナはビームダガー掴んで白熱化した拳が光って唸るでピクシーをボコった。

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2022/02/27(Sun) 14:02:41 ID：d4afa65f4            ★コメ返信★

        まあ正直メタ以外ではどうしたって苦しいわな
        人体っていう制限があるから人間用の武器はあの形なわけだから
        現に戦車とか戦闘機の武装は全く別物だし
        Gガンみたいな操作方法であっても正直手持ちにする必要は無いしなぁ

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