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    【悲報】Ζガンダムさん、ビームライフルが初代に比べて一撃必殺感がない



    1: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:32:40▼このレスに返信

    ビームライフルって撃つとき叫んだ方が威力あがるよね
    9: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:41:54▼このレスに返信
    びいいぃぃぃいむ!らいふるうううううぅぅぅ!
    みたいに?
    バカっぽくない?
    10: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:43:18▼このレスに返信
    >9
    バルカン叫ぶドモンさん馬鹿にした?
    2: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:33:50▼このレスに返信
    Zってビームライフルろくに当ててない気がする
    23: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:58:53▼このレスに返信
    >2
    あたっても一撃必殺じゃなくてMS丈夫だなって
    28: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:04:32▼このレスに返信
    >23
    あの頃って結構ビームに耐える機体いるよね
    8: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:41:11▼このレスに返信
    ビームライフル!とくと味わえ!
    12: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:43:55▼このレスに返信
    バルカンだってバァルカン!!って言いながら撃ったら強そうだしな
    19: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:54:14▼このレスに返信
    Gガンダムがバルカン撃つ時にバルカンって叫んでるのは音声をトリガーにしてるんじゃねぇのか…?
    38: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:14:10▼このレスに返信
    >19
    まあバルカンはモーションでの操作難しそうだしな…
    18: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:51:45▼このレスに返信
    ビームコンフューズ!!
    25: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:01:24▼このレスに返信
    ハイメガキャノン砲!
    36: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:11:53▼このレスに返信
    Zのライフルはその場のノリで威力変わりすぎ
    39: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:14:57▼このレスに返信
    >36
    ZZもそうなのでいいんだ
    14: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:45:37▼このレスに返信
    それなりのマシンスペックさえあればジェリドくらい楽に捻れてもおかしくない境遇なんだけどどうも低く見られがち
    17: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:51:17▼このレスに返信
    >14
    リックディアスに乗って負けたんだからどうにもならんと思うよ
    量産機としてはグリプス戦役でも最高峰の機体だし
    22: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:56:24▼このレスに返信
    ジェリドに落とされたのはファ庇ったからだし…
    44: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:18:31▼このレスに返信
    Zはビームライフル撃ってるやつに抱きつく回数が多い気がする
    45: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:18:34▼このレスに返信
    ZZの後半はもう普通のビームライフルじゃダメージ与えられん感じだからな…
    33: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:07:54▼このレスに返信
    外装が吹っ飛ぶだけで
    案外一撃じゃ倒せないんだよな
    50: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:24:14▼このレスに返信
    装甲厚けりゃ結構何とかなるからな…
    ザクレロなんかもビームはじいてたし
    26: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:03:10▼このレスに返信
    シャアはビーム当てれば落とせるって言うけどZのMS硬いんだよ!
    27: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:03:25▼このレスに返信
    百式のビームライフルは特に豆鉄砲すぎる…
    あいつ作中何回も敵を直撃させてるのに全く落とせない
    29: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:04:42▼このレスに返信
    ジュドーの百式もサーベルメインだもんな…
    35: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:11:26▼このレスに返信
    長時間行動する為に出力ケチったんだろうか
    48: 名無し 2022/02/12 18:22:31▼このレスに返信
    ギャプランは腕でZのビームサーベル無傷で受け止めるぞ
    どんな装甲してんだお前…
    4: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:35:48▼このレスに返信
    Ζが初登場でまだ全然見えないくらい遠い距離からウェイブライダーモードのまま
    ジェリドに二三発当ててたアポリーはなんだったんだろう
    5: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:37:33▼このレスに返信
    ニュータイプ能力と=ではないんだろう…
    6: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:38:00▼このレスに返信
    アポリーは普通にジオンのエリートだろ…
    7: 名無し 2022/02/12 17:40:00▼このレスに返信
    ベイさん普通に終盤まで戦えてたからな

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 08:02:49 ID:3ee2478c9            ★コメ返信★

        MS「ぴしゅーんぴしゅーん(ビームライフル)」
        当たって表面で弾ける演出
        ネームド「何ぃ?」

        Zのビームライフルはこういうイメージ

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 08:13:25 ID:1441a5920            ★コメ返信★

        富野の大きなミスのうちの1つやね
        作劇上も面白くなくなってる
        当てたけど弾かれた、はここぞというときに使うべき演出だということを理解していなかったとしか思えない

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 08:19:09 ID:1441a5920            ★コメ返信★

        >記事10
        朗らかに笑いながら撃つと60mmという口径に関わらず至近弾を食らってるMP一人傷付けることもないレベルの威力になるからな

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 08:50:56 ID:7c9501c30            ★コメ返信★

        実際、リアルタイムでZを見てたときは、初代の頃のビームライフルを使えよ、あれなら一撃だろと思っていたしなあ。
        まあ、富野さんも毎年ロボットアニメを作っていて見栄えのする演出を考える気力がなくなっていたのかもしれないけど。

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 09:13:58 ID:3bb86ec65            ★コメ返信★

        >Zのライフルはその場のノリで威力変わりすぎ

        実際の話、実弾と違ってビームライフルは威力調整できるのかな

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 09:30:44 ID:84f2dd471            ★コメ返信★

        Zのときのビームってなんか音が軽いのがね

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 09:36:58 ID:1163d01ca            ★コメ返信★

        大気圏内は空気の影響で拡散したり云々で分かるけど宇宙で直撃しても大丈夫なんですかね・・・

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 09:38:00 ID:7b7e3aa8d            ★コメ返信★

        ※5
        作中では実際できるでしょ。

        現実の話?ならレーザービーム兵器くらいのはずなんで普通にできるでしょ。

        ガンダムとか創作でよく見るようなタイプのビーム兵器ならそもそも実在を聞いたことが無い…

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 09:49:44 ID:3ee2478c9            ★コメ返信★

        ※5
        Zのは戦闘中は無理
        整備中に調整はできる、別の銃にするようなもんやけど

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 09:51:08 ID:7b7e3aa8d            ★コメ返信★

        ※7
        宇宙空間でもガンダムの粒子ビームは拡散減衰するよ

        それに大気圏内と違って宇宙は太陽光が当たるとこはめっちゃ熱くなるけど当たらないとこはめっちゃ冷えるし大気が無いから熱を逃がしにくいという色々極端な環境
        そこで動かすMSなら熱の対策くらいしてあるはずなので
        設定では強力なはずのビームライフルが当たって無事だったとしても言い訳できないこともない(多分一応)

        それでもゼータ本編描写はちょっと気になっちゃうが…

      11. 11. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 10:01:00 ID:bf90284e1            ★コメ返信★

        Zだけじゃないが
        ヘッドショットで倒れるのを
        なんでだよって思ったな

      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 10:10:46 ID:3ee2478c9            ★コメ返信★

        ガンダム世界じゃビームライフルはカスダメでも
        ビームライフルより格段に出力威力が低いビームサーベルは何故か一撃必殺レベルなのは常識だから

      13. 13. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 10:43:07 ID:a024b3ff7            ★コメ返信★

        あの「ペーゥwww」って発射音がよくないと思うな

      14. 14. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 11:08:09 ID:89e3898c6            ★コメ返信★

        退場予定のないネームド同士に戦場で口喧嘩させまくろうとしたらそうなっちゃうよねっていう
        ファーストの敵で因縁が長かったのはシャアララァぐらいで、他はネームドでも数話以内で墜としちゃうけど
        ゼータではシロッコハマーンレコアサラジェリドヤザンとみんな口喧嘩要員でなかなか死なない
        そのぶんやられキャラが大量に必要だったのにそれをしなかったのが、ゼータの戦闘にカタルシスがないと言われる主因

      15. 15. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 11:08:47 ID:cf228b35f            ★コメ返信★

        やっぱさぁ、びーむ「ライフル」しかない時点で魅力薄なわけよ。
        びーむ「バルカン」!(東映さん、ごめんなさい)
        びーむ「ガトリング」!
        びーむ「マシンガン」!(乳のは、手撃ちらしいぞ?)
        びーむ「ショットガン」!
        そもそも、現代の戦闘機がなんで弾切れリスク抱えながら機関砲積んでるか、考えてみw

      16. 16. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 11:27:03 ID:b6b497509            ★コメ返信★

        百式と、同じビームライフルを使ってる構造的欠陥なのかプログラミング的欠陥(頭にコックピットがあって胸貫通なのに脱出出来ない)なのかはわからないがリックディアスのライフルもショボいよね。

      17. 17. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 11:27:45 ID:90742c650            ★コメ返信★

        百式でバウンドドックにメッチャ浴びせてるのに倒せないのマジ可愛そう

      18. 18. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 11:29:55 ID:ebb5b2243            ★コメ返信★

        言うて、ZのビームライフルはサイコMk-Ⅱとクインマンサを撃墜してるし

      19. 19. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 11:30:39 ID:3ee2478c9            ★コメ返信★

        シャア「当たらなければどうということはない!」

        クワトロ「当たってもどうということはない(泣」

      20. 20. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 12:05:26 ID:42d43be6a            ★コメ返信★

        ふと思ったんだがビームライフル(戦艦レベルの?)が効かないんだったら艦船でMSって堕とせないんじゃ

      21. 21. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 12:43:00 ID:6990dda34            ★コメ返信★

        ファーストのビームライフルが強力すぎたから、その後条約かなんかで口径あたりの出力が規制されたんやろ(適当

      22. 22. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 12:58:06 ID:89e3898c6            ★コメ返信★

        ※20
        実際落とせてる描写ってパッと思いつかないし
        チェーンがレズンをやったときは金星っぽい反応されてたね

      23. 23. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 13:11:00 ID:89e3898c6            ★コメ返信★

        ※18
        グレミーはコクピットを出たところを狙撃されてるからノーカン
        サイコ2のときはカミーユキレかけてたしイタコサーベルみたいなもんやろ(適当)

      24. 24. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 13:25:28 ID:89e3898c6            ★コメ返信★

        好意的に解釈するなら
        鈍重な戦艦しかメガ粒子砲を持ってなくてMSはビーム対策の必要が薄かった1年戦争と
        MSがビーム兵器を標準装備するようになって対策された装甲材を使ってるグリプス戦役では
        ビームライフルに一撃必殺の破壊力がなくなってるのは道理っちゃ道理ではある
        カタルシスがなくてつまらんのは変わらんけどな

      25. 25. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 13:52:22 ID:0f81d06a8            ★コメ返信★

        ※19
        えぇい!打ち所が悪いとこんなものか!

      26. 26. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 15:26:20 ID:31d02542d            ★コメ返信★

        ※3
        朗らかか?本当に朗らかか?あの笑い朗らかでいいのか?

      27. 27. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 15:41:30 ID:89e3898c6            ★コメ返信★

        ※26
        「朗らかで悪いか!俺は朗らかだよ!」バキー

      28. 28. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 16:26:37 ID:3ee2478c9            ★コメ返信★

        あそこがZカミーユで一番の笑顔なのは間違いない

      29. 29. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/12(Sat) 22:07:45 ID:a37578344            ★コメ返信★

        Zは音からしてBRが弱いからね

      30. 30. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/13(Sun) 08:31:07 ID:62adb7069            ★コメ返信★

        ※28
        思えばカミーユって純粋に笑ってるシーンほとんどないもんな
        自嘲的な曇った笑顔はそこそこあるけど爆笑シーンなんてホントあそこだけ

      31. 31. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/13(Sun) 10:26:32 ID:8b7007397            ★コメ返信★

        ※30
        流石のカミーユもいけ好かないMPとはいえ人一人ミンチにして大笑い出来る程狂ってなかったしな

      32. 32. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/03/14(Mon) 15:43:58 ID:fc1e80206            ★コメ返信★

        ※23
        通常撃ち抜けないサイコMK2を撃ち抜いたりコクピット外のグレミー狙撃がクインマンサ爆散(=プルツー全身打撲)になったりとバイオセンサーさんが仕事してるな
        (ルーはべつにNTじゃないはずなんだが)

      33. 33. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/04/07(Thu) 01:09:30 ID:64e38a04f            ★コメ返信★

        ※24
        「自機の主砲に抗堪する正面装甲」ってやつだね。
        エゥーゴの主力リックディアスは「ガンダリウムγ」、アクシズも同水準の技術を持ちそして連邦系の基準以上のティターンズは当然ながら初代ガンダム以上の装甲、或いは対ビーム技術がある。有効射程ギリから漫然と正面から撃ってもそうそう落ちないよな。

      34. 34. 名前:MilitaryGirl 投稿日:2022/04/07(Thu) 19:07:10 ID:185444192            ★コメ返信★

        (GZ3%ix4) こんにちは、私はウクライナから来ました。私は移転オプションを探しています。あなたが私を助けたいのなら、ここに私の写真とビデオがあります: >>>ujeb.se/WPRc5K

      35. 35. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/12(Thu) 04:13:09 ID:5029e1ac8            ★コメ返信★

        宇宙世紀の各種ビームライフルは一応、出力設定がちゃんとあるのに知られていないのか・・?

        初代ガンダムやジムⅡは1.9MW、ハイザックやマラサイは2.2MW、ハイザックカスタムは2.1MW、ジ・オやマークⅡ(通常モード)は2.6MW、百式は2.8MW、Zは5.7MW。
        リックディアスのビームピストルは特殊で、2.8MWから約半分に設定変更されている。
        参考までに、リックディアスのビームサーベル(百式やネモも使用) は0.4MWで、キュベレイのファンネルはビームピストル並みの1.4MW。またマークⅡのBRはライフル本体に出力変更スイッチがあり、最大出力モードにするとZ並みの出力になるが3発しか撃てない。

        また戦闘演出については動画製作の手間を減らすため、ビーム回避の演出の代替として『ビームが機体を掠める』表現をしている。
        また監督の『視聴者はMSが戦ってる所が見たいもの』という持論とスポンサーへの気遣いから、つまらなくとも毎話必ず戦闘シーンがある。
        またビームは熱の塊なので状況によって威力が変わるという設定と、前記のように『MSが回避する動画』を作る手間を減らすため、『掠っても無傷』という演出を取らざるを得なかった背景もある。

        ・・とマジレスしてみる。

      36. 36. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/14(Sat) 00:11:02 ID:092105e04            ★コメ返信★

        さすがにアッシマーの装甲内に当ててよろめいて終わりは酷すぎ
        あれカミーユがやった事は相当な神業なのに

      37. 37. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2022/05/15(Sun) 07:24:30 ID:d30ff9f43            ★コメ返信★

        ※25
        そこ、飛ばされたライフルを拾うため敵に背中を見せたカミーユを庇った結果だし、そもそもウミヘビは電撃で操縦系に不具合やパイロットにダメージを与える武器なんで、同列には語れないよ。

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