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ユニコーンガンダムってオカルト抜きだとどのくらい強いの？？

1: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:20:51▼このレスに返信

ユニコーンヤバイヤバイって言うけど実際宇宙世紀全体で見たらどうなの

3: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:22:09▼このレスに返信

オカルトパワー無かったら年代相応の高級機の範疇に収まるくらい

136: 名無し 2022/03/31 17:40:27▼このレスに返信

>3
オカルトなくても超スピード高火力最新技術で名実共に最高級機…

5: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:22:45▼このレスに返信

オカルト抜きなら総合的にはニューガンダムよりちょい強いくらいじゃない

14: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:28:07▼このレスに返信

サイコフレームなくてもビームマグナムだけでやばい
サイコフレーム無かったらまともに撃てないだろうけど

31: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:36:07▼このレスに返信

ジェスタ部隊にそれこそ露払いしてもらってもらわないと当初のコンセプトとしては成り立たない

37: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:38:03▼このレスに返信

スペックならFA-ZZとかEx-SあたりのMS3機分結合させましたみたいなのがちょっと前にいるからな
サイコフレームがおかしいだけ

12: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:26:12▼このレスに返信

作中で起こした奇跡の数々はバナージっていう特異な乗り手と特殊な状況が合わさった上での例外だから兵器としての力としちゃノーカン
なので素の性能なら宇宙世紀全体で見ればそこまで大したもんでは無い
UC96年当時には普通に強い機体だけどね

23: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:33:16▼このレスに返信

ユニコーンモードでの試験でパイロットの人がつらそうにしてたのは操縦が難しいのかテスト内容が厳しかったからなのか…

26: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:34:08▼このレスに返信

>23
Gがヤバいんだとか
トールギスみたいなもんじゃない？

36: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:37:57▼このレスに返信

>>ユニコーンモードでの試験でパイロットの人がつらそうにしてたのは操縦が難しいのかテスト内容が厳しかったからなのか…
試験とはいえ危険が伴うのに御当主が乗り込んできたからな…

7: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:23:31▼このレスに返信

フルサイコフレームで自転車とかでも不思議パワー出るんかな

10: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:24:55▼このレスに返信

>7
サイコフレームとNTがヤバいから何かしら起きそうだけど自転車ぐらいのサイズならそこまで酷いことにはならなさそう
ひとりでにバランスが取れるとか勝手に走るとかぐらいかな

127: 名無し 2022/03/31 17:32:41▼このレスに返信

>10
Tがなにやったか覚えてねーのかよ

16: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:30:21▼このレスに返信

落下軌道のアクシズ半分押し返している時点で冷静に考えたら物理現象を超越した凄いオカルトだからなぁ

19: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:31:16▼このレスに返信

デストロイモードになるとどう強くなるのかよくわかんない

20: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:31:47▼このレスに返信

>19
乗ってる強化人間ポイ捨てできるくらいには強い

21: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:32:31▼このレスに返信

>19
機体の基礎ステアップと思考操縦とサイコミュジャックが使えるようになる

27: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:34:12▼このレスに返信

あくまでニュータイプ絶対殺すモードだからね
武装が増えたりするわけではない
奪えば増える

22: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:32:53▼このレスに返信

デストロイモードのわかりやすい機能はサイコミュジャック

45: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:42:58▼このレスに返信

UCアニメだとサイコミュジャックあんま使われなかったから途中から忘れてたけど
NTでネオジオングをジャックした時にそういやあったなそんな機能ってなった

57: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:47:27▼このレスに返信

>45
あれはただ単に共鳴して寄ってきた感じじゃないの

67: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:53:42▼このレスに返信

呼べば来るの怖くない？

73: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:55:58▼このレスに返信

>67
サイコガンダムもキュベレイmkⅡも呼べば来たからサイコマシーンなんてそれでいいんだよ

32: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:36:33▼このレスに返信

思考操縦も強力ではあるけどリスクも大きいしな
バンシィがテストした時味方に煽られてパイロットがムカッと来たらバンシィ暴走してその味方に襲いかかったりするし

39: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:38:26▼このレスに返信

>32
そんな場面で煽る頭足りてない奴が悪いしもっと言うと煽り耐性のないパイロットが悪い

33: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:37:20▼このレスに返信

フェネクスの連邦製のデッドコピーだからサイコフレームの性能が他2機に比べると悪いって設定は今は無くなったんだっけ

41: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:41:22▼このレスに返信

バンシィはこれでもユニコーン3兄妹の中じゃ一番大人しい子なんですよ…

48: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:43:24▼このレスに返信

>41
妹もヤンチャだしな…

62: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:52:30▼このレスに返信

>48
なんか神様になってる長男と女の子吸収してフラフラしてる妹に比べたら補助輪付けたらOTでもデストロイさせてくれたりちゃんと解体されてくれたりバンシィくんは本当に大人しいね…….

65: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:53:22▼このレスに返信

>62
あとやるぞお！って声かけられたらわざわざサイコフレーム緑にしてくれる

46: 名無し 2022/03/31 16:43:10▼このレスに返信

なんだかんだバナージとユニコーンだけではコロニーレーザー防ぎきれなかったからな

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 06:52:52 ID：00afc17d6 ★コメ返信★

素の状態でも普通に強いんだろ？

反応:※2
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 07:47:58 ID：7b757abc1 ★コメ返信★

※1
サイコフレームだの、ニュータイプだののオカルト要素抜いたら、当時のレベルでの高級機って程度じゃない？強いことは強いけど、圧倒できる程じゃ無いってくらいの
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 07:52:02 ID：310b227cf ★コメ返信★

ビームマグナムはZZのダブルビームライフルと違って撃つ前に溜めがあって銃口が光ってるから雑兵をなぎ払うには良いが熟練兵相手だと本来は当らない欠陥武器。
サイコフレームありきで開発されてるから発動しないと性能は高級機どどっこいどっこいなんだけど関節はとにかく頑丈

反応:※17 ※19
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 07:53:27 ID：310b227cf ★コメ返信★

Zもオカルト無しだとあの時代でも極普通の高級機かやや劣る程度だったしね
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 08:04:28 ID：0a512c11e ★コメ返信★

>記事127
Tサンプルだけでレズンに対空砲当てて落とすくらいの補正はつくからなぁ・・・
自転車のサイズのものなら飛ばすくらいはできるかもしれん。
あくまで乗り手によるんだろうけど。
そういう意味ではチェーンもニュータイプとしての潜在能力は高かったのかも。
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 08:32:59 ID：3f24466b9 ★コメ返信★

ダグザ、ギルボア、ジンネマンのシールドなんてオカルトの最たる代物だしな…
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 09:47:25 ID：939b13972 ★コメ返信★

充分に発達した科学技術は、オカルトと見分けが付かない。

反応:※8
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 09:57:43 ID：076fbde28 ★コメ返信★

※7
実際∀が開発された時だと科学的に解明されていて、再現もできるんじゃないっけ。
ユニコーンはそれをオカルト的に実行してるってだけで。
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 10:53:56 ID：c39e5440e ★コメ返信★

サイコフレームってアホほど頑丈って設定なかったけ？
オカルトしなくても、機体の強度(防御力)が高いのはいいことだよね
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 11:19:31 ID：3f24466b9 ★コメ返信★

宇宙世紀、アナザーともに御気持ちでビームや実弾の威力が変わるオカルト

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11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 11:35:27 ID：741c820ea ★コメ返信★

アンチミノフスキー技術があるV時代以降はオカルトあっても抑制されちゃって通用しないと思う。
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 12:09:27 ID：ef51898b8 ★コメ返信★

あんだけオカルト連発できたのは冥界(エネルギー供給元)からカーディアスが全力応援してたからだぞ、って福井が言ってるからなあ
パイロットが鼻血で親父の思惑通りに動いてるからおきたボーナスステージで、アクシズ押し返した時のνみたいな外部から支えられて初めて成立する状態
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 12:55:24 ID：0a512c11e ★コメ返信★

※10
グリプス戦役のみんなのやる気のなさときたら・・・
14. 名前:　投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 14:29:26 ID：61b8324cf ★コメ返信★

オカルトっていうのもよくわからないなあ。ダンバインでオーラ力なしでどのくらい強いか？みたいな話か？その世界にある力はもはやオカルトじゃないだろ。

反応:※15 ※16
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 14:40:34 ID：639a812d8 ★コメ返信★

※14
ダンバインはオーラ力って言葉があったからオーラ力だけどガンダムはニュータイプはあっても、敵攻撃を弾くわけ分からない力に名前がないからオカルトと呼んでいる。Ｚの時にあの力をおハゲが○○力って命名してれば良かったけどしないで、その後も理不尽でわけ分からないからオカルト呼びしてたけど、もうオカルトで認知されちゃってるから今更おハゲが命名しても遅きに失する状態。
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 16:13:45 ID：6f0a07803 ★コメ返信★

※14
サイキッカーってのもいるしマリアのヒーリングもあるし
その創作内の世界にそういうもんがある以上は
そういう現実科学と別の摂理があるとしないと成り立たんからなあ
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/06(Wed) 20:26:35 ID：e3b53269e ★コメ返信★

※3
カスれば当たる弾を避けようと動いても銃口こっちむけたまま動かしてくるとそれはもう『死』なんよ
18. 名前:　投稿日：2022/04/07(Thu) 01:43:56 ID：ed4bc8df7 ★コメ返信★

サイコマシン相手に「オカルト抜きで」ってのも変な話だとは思うけど、想定スペック通りって意味だとしても同時代最強格ではあるでしょ。
専用スーツ無いとパイロットがやられる程の超機動で馬鹿火力撃ってくる挙句、あのサイズでIフィールド張って異常なパワーで格闘もしてくるとかいう化け物。
採算度外視ってのも含めて「他よりちょい上程度」なんて評価は違和感あるけど…。
19. 名前:　投稿日：2022/04/07(Thu) 01:46:01 ID：ed4bc8df7 ★コメ返信★

※3
あれド派手にたっぷり溜めて撃ってるのは演出的な話で、本編中でも普通のライフルくらいにドカドカ撃ってるシーン無かったか？
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2022/04/07(Thu) 17:51:45 ID：bcf30b02e ★コメ返信★

サイコフレームが恐ろしいほど頑強なのがオカルト由来の性能なのか否かでだいぶ評価が変わる気がする
あの強度が無きゃ結局マグナムも撃てないだろうし…
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