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SF作品に出て来る軌道エレベーターって現実的に有用なの？



1: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:17:22

軌道エレベーター
5: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:21:05
原理的には有用だが現実的には技術が追いついてない
8: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:22:09
静止軌道上に人工衛生打ち上げてケーブルを通してカウンターウエイトかけながら建設する構想だっけな
14: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:25:56

>1
ロープウェイで十分ですよ
26: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:45:59

>14
軌道エスカーだったら気が狂いそう
12: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:24:38
トップをねらえのロープウェイで行くやつ乗りたい
15: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:26:19
>12
めちゃくちゃレトロな内装と機内放送
32: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:50:13
ガンダム00の軌道エレベーターはリニアモーター式だったな
13: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:24:58
テロに弱そう
29: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:48:41
ゼノブレイド2で作り方の話してたな
3: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:20:01

がっかり軌道エレベーター
6: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:21:16
>3
魔法とかある異世界での軌道エレベーター？
41: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:04:05
>3
どういう構造なのか知らないとしか思えない
42: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:06:28
>41
ナディアに出てきたエレベーターをそのままパクってるだけだからな
7: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:21:24
順番待ち凄そう
9: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:23:04
デブリ問題どうするんだろう
16: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:27:20
軌道エレベーターの中の重力はどうなってるのか気になる
18: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:28:23
到着するまで何日かかるのよ
24: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:37:29
>18
静止軌道は36000ｋｍだから時速100kmで登っていったとしても１５日かかるな
25: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:43:02

>24
現在の技術だと80km/hくらいだってさ
38: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:57:08
飛行機でも地球の裏に行くのにほぼ一日かかるんだから
それぐらい時間かかるのは仕方なかろう
43: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:08:59
これがあればガンガン原発やって使用済核燃料は宇宙にぽいー出来るんだろ
44: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:10:16
>43
発電所も宇宙に作ればええんやで
事故ったら切り離しでぽいー
45: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:10:40
>43
軌道をちゃんと計算しないと彗星じみた軌道を描いて地球に帰ってきちゃうのだ
46: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:12:01
>43
後年仕返しに撃ち返されるやつだこれ！
59: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:29:58
造るのは良いが
造ったからといってソコから資源が得られるワケではないので
現状の使い捨てロケットの方がコスパが良いという罠
60: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:31:47
>59
地球外から何かしらの素敵な資源が得られるってことにでもならなければ
軌道エレベーターを作る理由は生まれないよな
62: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:34:39
現代技術で作れるらしいな
メリットがないから、やらないらしいけど
63: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:38:54
>62
いいえ
まだCNTも9万6000キロ分の物が必要だけど
現状作れるのは10～数十cm程度
それも暴露実験すると大きく損傷するとのこと
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68: 名無し 2021/12/20 20:47:18
核融合炉と同じでいつかはこれかあるいは同質のものを作らないと人類行き詰まりなんだけど
まあ先は長い
1000年くらいでできれば上出来
17: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:28:08

軌道登山鉄道の実用化が待たれる
19: 名無し 2021/12/20 19:29:14
>17
まず軌道までの山を築いてください
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    >記事26
    壁内を螺旋状にくるくる回っていくとか・・・。
    無駄すぎる。エレベーターでエエやん。

  2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/21(Tue) 08:11:42 ID：fcbf37fc1            ★コメ返信★

    >記事60
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    反応:※9
  3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/21(Tue) 08:14:54 ID：cee5cbcf6            ★コメ返信★

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  4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/21(Tue) 08:19:29 ID：170e2a1ed            ★コメ返信★

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    反応:※5
  5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/21(Tue) 08:27:27 ID：fcbf37fc1            ★コメ返信★

    ※4
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  6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/21(Tue) 08:31:27 ID：d2fc637e3            ★コメ返信★

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    思考実験では可能だけど、現実では不可能って典型例だからなあ。
    大林組の構想も、諸々の外部の力をとりあえず無視してるやろ。
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    ※2
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    エベレストより地上高が高い建造物を作ると重力で崩壊する説がある、高原が出来るメカニズムは重力で山頂が押しつぶされるからっていうのが根拠

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  12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日：2021/12/21(Tue) 09:39:20 ID：1a925a9ef            ★コメ返信★

    あんまり意味が分からないんだけど
    何に使うの？

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    ※12
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    ※12
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    例を挙げるとH2Aロケットは荷物を打上のコストは1kgあたり105万円。
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    00みたいに複数軌道エレベーターがあれば更にコストはさがり、千円ぐらい迄下がるとの事
    一つ軌道エレベーターが建造出来れば二基目の建造コストも下がる。

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    作った国は世界中から「独占は許されない！」「世界で共有するべき！」と言われて勝手に国連管理下にされる。

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    赤道から緯度３５度以内に建設しなきゃならない。
    ポールシフトが発生したら一斉にちぎれとんでしまいそう。

    反応:※18
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    ※17
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