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    1: 2019/09/06 17:51:49 No.620689345 ▼このレスに返信

    なんでジムにビームライフル持たせずにこんな武器を…?
    2: 2019/09/06 17:52:48 No.620689534 ▼このレスに返信
    安いんじゃないの?
    9: 2019/09/06 17:57:55 No.620690494 ▼このレスに返信
    >なんでジムにビームライフル持たせずにこんな武器を…?
    一年戦争末期の訓練もろくに受けてないような新兵はすぐに混乱して弾撃ち尽くすから…
    3: 2019/09/06 17:54:30 No.620689880 ▼このレスに返信
    威力はジオン側より遥かに高い
    取り回しがいい
    速射性が高い
    4: 2019/09/06 17:56:01 No.620690141 ▼このレスに返信

    こんな感じで出ると思ってました
    5: 2019/09/06 17:56:41 No.620690264 ▼このレスに返信
    >こんな感じで出ると思ってました
    アニメを見ると普通にまっすぐビームが飛んでるな
    28: 2019/09/06 18:07:03 No.620692221 ▼このレスに返信
    >こんな感じで出ると思ってました
    たまに本当にこんな感じの扱いなゲームあるよね
    ガンドゥムとか
    6: 2019/09/06 17:56:43 No.620690268 ▼このレスに返信
    つまり威力のある拳銃
    7: 2019/09/06 17:57:17 No.620690374 ▼このレスに返信
    戦艦の主砲並みの武器とか過剰だしな
    8: 2019/09/06 17:57:52 No.620690487 ▼このレスに返信
    継戦能力の向上だろ
    オーバーキルの無駄に威力高くて数発しか打てないビームライフルより
    同じくMS一撃で倒せて装弾数の多い方が実用性高い
    10: 2019/09/06 17:58:24 No.620690587 ▼このレスに返信
    ビームライフルは20発しか撃てない上に母艦に戻ってチャージする必要があるからな…
    11: 2019/09/06 17:58:52 No.620690667 ▼このレスに返信
    弱点を狙い撃ちして戦い続けられる高スキルパイロット向けみたいな
    13: 2019/09/06 17:59:55 No.620690875 ▼このレスに返信
    当たれば一撃で敵を破壊できるのは同じだから
    14: 2019/09/06 18:00:03 No.620690896 ▼このレスに返信
    連ジの説得力のある弱さが大好きだった
    15: 2019/09/06 18:00:52 No.620691052 ▼このレスに返信
    スプレーガンの威力不足描写ってなんかあるっけ
    ビグザムみたいなのは艦砲でも無理だからしょうがないし
    16: 2019/09/06 18:01:30 No.620691156 ▼このレスに返信
    こんなんでもザクドムなら直撃で死ぬからな…
    18: 2019/09/06 18:03:04 No.620691446 ▼このレスに返信
    ビームライフルだとオーバーキルだなって取り回し重視したら
    ジオン側はビームライフルやべぇで対ビームコートして
    結果装甲抜けなくなったって説が好き
    19: 2019/09/06 18:03:16 No.620691489 ▼このレスに返信
    おそらくだけどビグロがジムコマのビームガンで数発耐えてたからすぐに仕留めたいMAには単機では威力不足かもしれない
    27: 2019/09/06 18:06:22 No.620692097 ▼このレスに返信
    >おそらくだけどビグロがジムコマのビームガンで数発耐えてたからすぐに仕留めたいMAには単機では威力不足かもしれない
    むしろあれビグロみたいなお高そうなMAでもあんなあっさり沈むの!?って印象の方が…
    131: 2019/09/06 18:43:36 No.620699780 ▼このレスに返信
    >むしろあれビグロみたいなお高そうなMAでもあんなあっさり沈むの!?って印象の方が…
    ろくにビームコートもない一年戦争のビームは無敵だからな
    モビルアーマーだろうが関係ないよ
    戦艦だってビームライフルで蜂の巣にされるし
    23: 2019/09/06 18:04:47 No.620691775 ▼このレスに返信
    MAにはビームライフルやビームガン欲しいよね
    24: 2019/09/06 18:05:18 No.620691881 ▼このレスに返信
    長射程高火力のビームライフルをやっとこさ量産したのに資金力の暴力でビーム撹乱幕散布されたから結局近距離での打ち合いになったゲルググ
    93: 2019/09/06 18:35:56 No.620698114 ▼このレスに返信
    >長射程高火力のビームライフルをやっとこさ量産したのに資金力の暴力でビーム撹乱幕散布されたから結局近距離での打ち合いになったゲルググ
    アバオアクー戦はギレンがさっさとパプリク落とせって命令してたからそ撹乱幕の効果でてないらしいな
    25: 2019/09/06 18:05:57 No.620692005 ▼このレスに返信
    実際弾数の多さってめっちゃ利点多いもんなぁ
    抜けない怪物が出てきたとしてもどのみちそんなのは想定外でやるしかないし
    30: 2019/09/06 18:07:18 No.620692277 ▼このレスに返信
    ビームなんて直撃すれば勝ちみたいなもんだから出力とか必要分だけあれば良いよ派が作ったんだろ
    33: 2019/09/06 18:10:36 No.620692902 ▼このレスに返信
    先読みしないと当たらないライフルよりは頼れる感じがする
    37: 2019/09/06 18:11:36 No.620693090 ▼このレスに返信
    そんなに火力が必要ならチームのボールに任せればいいし
    なんならガンダムと同等の装備であるバズーカでも持てばいい
    41: 2019/09/06 18:13:57 No.620693564 ▼このレスに返信
    どうせ一般兵ではある程度接近しないと当たらないから射程短くして弾数増やした結果の産物
    40: 2019/09/06 18:13:09 No.620693404 ▼このレスに返信
    エースがバカスカ当てるから気にしてなかったけど一般兵レベルだとビームライフルって固定砲座的な使い方しないと当たらんよな…
    43: 2019/09/06 18:15:46 No.620693985 ▼このレスに返信
    >エースがバカスカ当てるから気にしてなかったけど一般兵レベルだとビームライフルって固定砲座的な使い方しないと当たらんよな…
    スポーツFPSの動画を見るに訓練すれば変態になっていくと思われる
    46: 2019/09/06 18:18:00 No.620694420 ▼このレスに返信
    >スポーツFPSの動画を見るに訓練すれば変態になっていくと思われる
    Quakeのレールガン動画とか頭おかしなる
    ああいうのがビームライフル派でマシンガンとかプラガン撃ってるのがスレ画と思えばまあ納得
    45: 2019/09/06 18:17:28 No.620694313 ▼このレスに返信
    なんかプラモの説明書には収縮率が低いのでパワーが弱いけど弾が大きく当てやすいとか書いてあった気がする
    48: 2019/09/06 18:19:32 No.620694737 ▼このレスに返信
    >なんかプラモの説明書には収縮率が低いのでパワーが弱いけど弾が大きく当てやすいとか書いてあった気がする
    点と小さい丸くらいの差でも結構違うんだよ
    50: 2019/09/06 18:20:27 No.620694924 ▼このレスに返信
    宇宙空間だとビームというかメガ粒子というかは減衰すんのかな
    54: 2019/09/06 18:21:30 No.620695139 ▼このレスに返信
    >宇宙空間だとビームというかメガ粒子というかは減衰すんのかな
    減衰する要素が無いが
    60: 2019/09/06 18:23:29 No.620695511 ▼このレスに返信
    >減衰する要素が無いが
    やっぱないよね実弾兵器も減速しないよね
    宇宙戦争こえー
    69: 2019/09/06 18:28:33 No.620696522 ▼このレスに返信
    >減衰する要素が無いが
    塊がそのうち拡散するしそこらに漂ってるデブリに接触すればその分エネルギー持ってかれるから
    宇宙はなにもないからそのままの状態でぶつかるまで直進するなんてことはない
    62: 2019/09/06 18:24:13 No.620695656 ▼このレスに返信
    >>宇宙空間だとビームというかメガ粒子というかは減衰すんのかな
    >減衰する要素が無いが
    塵やらデブリやら大量に浮かんでるから減衰はするだろうよ
    真空とはいえ何も浮いてない訳では無い
    72: 2019/09/06 18:30:20 No.620696888 ▼このレスに返信
    そいや初代アニメだとビームライフルはよくエネルギー切れになってたな
    なのでなぜかハンマー渡されるアムロ
    83: 2019/09/06 18:32:42 No.620697441 ▼このレスに返信
    撃てば当たるアムロが弾切れするんじゃ一般兵は誰も使えまい
    74: 2019/09/06 18:30:27 No.620696922 ▼このレスに返信
    なので0083ジムではマシンガン主力に戻る
    99: 2019/09/06 18:38:01 No.620698555 ▼このレスに返信
    一般兵はアムロみたいにばかすか当てられないだろうし
    連射効く方が絶対良いよね

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      1. 1. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/07(Sat) 20:45:04 ID:88503c715            ★コメ返信★

        正直アムロもこっちの方が良いって言いそう
        ビームライフルって十数発ぐらいしか撃てなかった気がするし

      2. 2. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/07(Sat) 20:54:25 ID:492f25653            ★コメ返信★

        当たる方が大事なんだぞ

      3. 3. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/07(Sat) 21:30:54 ID:aa45816a3            ★コメ返信★

        ライフルは弾数少ないもんね
        やっぱ一般兵は連射してばら撒かないと

      4. 4. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/07(Sat) 23:36:54 ID:32215d9f9            ★コメ返信★

        その後だと威力あっていっぱい撃てるビームマシンガンも有ったけどイマイチ流行らなかったな
        てか某ゲームだとスプレーガンがショットガンみたいになってたりするが、アレはなんなんだ…

      5. 5. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/08(Sun) 00:07:29 ID:9c5272404            ★コメ返信★

        基本集団運用で弾幕じみた撃ち方になるんだろうからな

      6. 6. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/08(Sun) 00:30:10 ID:0ce2df9ca            ★コメ返信★

        ビームライフルは15発やしなあ。
        デカイから予備持ち歩くには不便。
        スプレーガンは装弾数設定がライフルより多いってだけだが、倍近く撃てると想定して、盾の裏に予備が二つは入る大きさだから、一年戦争の最適解って感じ。
        アニメのアムロに支給されたら大喜びしそう。しょっちゅう弾切れして後退してたし。

      7. 7. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/08(Sun) 01:48:42 ID:4df7cbcce            ★コメ返信★

        >>54
        馬鹿言うな。ガンダム世界のビーム砲は「荷電粒子砲」だぞ。
        「電荷を帯びた微粒子」を無理やりIフィールドで束ねてるんだから、射出した瞬間から「微粒子通しが反発」して拡散するわい!
        あぁ、あれか、「ビームライフルはレーザービーム砲」とでも思ってんのかw

      8. 8. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/08(Sun) 04:30:44 ID:ecd06832d            ★コメ返信★

        ※4
        スレ中にもあるけど、本当にビームがスプレー状になる説を再現するとそうなる
        ただ実際の1st劇中ではどうみても普通の直線ビームを撃ってるので
        名前の由来は機能面ではなく「工具のスプレーガンに似てるから」だろうけど

      9. 9. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/09/12(Thu) 02:35:56 ID:eca03a357            ★コメ返信★

        単純にジェネレータ出力の問題って大昔に説明されてるのだが
        スナイパーカスタムなどのビームライフル持ちのGMはジェネレータを追加してる
        (GMは仕様で後付けでアップグレードしたり局地戦用に改装出来るように造られてる)

      10. 10. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2019/10/18(Fri) 07:00:00 ID:65aa107ec            ★コメ返信★

        ビームスプレーガンは一撃でMSを倒せる、と言っているが銃身が小さく弾数が3~4倍だから単発でならビームライフルよりは遥かに威力が小さいのは間違いない。
        また、バレルが短いので収束率やメガ粒子の加速も大きく劣るはず。
        つまり単機で中距離だと(特に盾持ちのゲルググ相手だと)決定打を出しづらいのではないかと推測できる。

        ただし、連射ができて機数も多いから雨あられのように飛んでくるビームの弾幕はジオン兵にとって恐怖かも知れない。

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      12. 12. 名前:匿名 投稿日:2020/05/12(Tue) 15:06:23 ID:b6c19a8a1            ★コメ返信★

        ビームライフルが威力過剰だから必要十分な威力に落として弾数を増やして取り回しを良くした。
        って結論出てるのに未だに弱い弱い言う輩が居てね。
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