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【Zガンダム】変形ロボって万が一変形失敗したら良い的になると思うけど対策とか考えてるのだろうか

1: 名無し 2020/10/22 16:59:26▼このレスに返信

変形ロボって万が一変形失敗したら良い的になると思うけど対策とか考えてるのだろうか

26: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:41:37▼このレスに返信

>1
そもそも変形失敗とかロボアニメでふつうになかったっけ
途中変形上体で墜落とか

3: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:00:43▼このレスに返信

自爆する

4: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:00:50▼このレスに返信

余程の事以外は
考えてクリアしてるから
生産されて運用してるのよ

6: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:02:28▼このレスに返信

万が一車のエンジンが止まったらみたいな考えなんじゃないかな

7: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:04:36▼このレスに返信

マクロスのガウォークは変形失敗から生み出された設定だし
同じ様な何かが有るんじゃないの？

8: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:05:47▼このレスに返信

常にセルフチェックしてて
この状態では変形機能は使えませんとか出てくるんじゃないかな

9: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:06:23▼このレスに返信

万が一があったら大変だから戦闘終わるたびに整備してるんじゃないの？

11: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:11:11▼このレスに返信

>9
ユニコーンは等身大の奴にまじで戦闘のたびに全装甲をチェックしろって注意書きがマーキングしてあって整備班に心から同情した

90: 名無し 2020/10/22 19:10:11▼このレスに返信

>11
作った技術者から見ても全く得体の知れない原理不明なサイコフレームを
全体にくまなくぶち込んで作り上げた巨大兵器って時点で
メンテは地獄
本編にそんな描写はないが、気苦労は絶えないだろう

92: 名無し 2020/10/22 19:15:44▼このレスに返信

>90
整備士「なんで光るんだろうコレ」

93: 名無し 2020/10/22 19:15:47▼このレスに返信

>90
ネェルアーガマ内だと最終の整備マニュアル無しで手探りな部分が多くて可哀想ね

12: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:11:36▼このレスに返信

戦闘中に変化機構に不具合出たら詰むよね

13: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:13:19▼このレスに返信

パターン崩しにあたるから無いとは言えないけど
それやって二機目に乗り換えるイベントすらパターンになったことがあって
販促に都合がよければ有りうると答えておこう

14: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:15:30▼このレスに返信

変形・合体途中で攻撃するのは条約違反

21: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:24:09▼このレスに返信

>14
あらかじめ条約違反対策をしている奴もいた

16: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:17:48▼このレスに返信

戦車が故障したら良い的になるような話だな

17: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:18:17▼このレスに返信

ロボアニメ途中で新型機に乗り換えるのも戦隊に6人目が現れるのもライダーが怪人居ないとこでライダー同士で殴りあうのも皆恒例行事みたいになっちまったもんな

23: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:35:48▼このレスに返信

そもそも戦闘中に変形しなくちゃいけない状況は
すでにそれ自体が詰んでるんじゃないかて気もする

32: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:48:45▼このレスに返信

>23
そもそもの前提を勘違いしてる
戦闘中に変形するのが良くないものと
戦闘中に変形を利用するのが仕様ってものがある
大抵のは戦闘中に変形するのが前提
稀に戦闘中に変形しちゃダメってものがある

一回やるごとに整備員が数日徹夜で整備しなくちゃいけないやつとか
聞いているかいグラハム？

25: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:38:04▼このレスに返信

変形を活かした戦闘はロマンだよ

46: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:09:31▼このレスに返信

>25
わかるー

28: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:42:10▼このレスに返信

変形ってどれくらいのスピードなんだろ

39: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:59:20▼このレスに返信

>28
慣性質量的に無理じゃろこのスピード

66: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:38:35▼このレスに返信

>28
スローで見てみると複雑すぎる

72: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:41:59▼このレスに返信

>66
まあ基本的に戦闘中に変形合体はしない前提だから

76: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:44:56▼このレスに返信

>72
単に移動用なのね

30: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:44:45▼このレスに返信

スレ画は0.5秒で変形できるらしい

31: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:47:48▼このレスに返信

>30
そんな速度でコクピットがあんな跳ね上がったらパイロットが昇天しそうだな

37: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:52:01▼このレスに返信

>31
そのパイロットさんが設計アイディア出したそうですよ

67: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:38:48▼このレスに返信

>37
0.1秒で10mの距離を移動する速度として変形毎にざっくり10Gカミーユに掛かってるんじゃね？

70: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:41:30▼このレスに返信

>67
戦闘機でも７Gとかかかるらしいし平気平気

41: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:02:31▼このレスに返信

被弾考えるとなるべくシンプル変形な方がいいよね
こいつは変形中に喰らっても無事だったが

42: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:03:45▼このレスに返信

>41
散弾ではな

44: 名無し 2020/10/22 18:05:22▼このレスに返信

むしろ墜落しながら変形

99: 名無し 2020/10/22 19:23:01▼このレスに返信

>44
頑丈すぎる…

127: 名無し 2020/10/22 20:20:30▼このレスに返信

変形はどっか被弾で歪んだらおしまいだよなと思う

131: 名無し 2020/10/22 20:27:22▼このレスに返信

>127
アリオス(わかるわ)

133: 名無し 2020/10/22 20:31:36▼このレスに返信

>131
ちなみにこれはリアスカートが背中に固定されてる状態で
リアスカートごと背中刺されてここだけ変形解除できないから
MS形態で下半身が上半身とくっ付いたまま固定されてしまってる
ファング迎撃したいのに腰が振れなかった

139: 名無し 2020/10/22 20:41:16▼このレスに返信

>133
細かい……！

145: 名無し 2020/10/22 20:47:01▼このレスに返信

変形したら的になるからっていうなら
現実の戦闘機だってエンジン故障したら的だし
戦車も履帯に鉄棒を絡ませたら的になるでしょ？

27: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:41:53▼このレスに返信

通常時だって動かなくなったら的になるだけだし

29: 名無し 2020/10/22 17:43:25▼このレスに返信

>27
通常時と変形中と2倍のリスクを負う訳か

1. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 00:03:18 ID：fbefc1d36 ★コメ返信★

＞変形毎にざっくり10Gカミーユに掛かってるんじゃね？

だからアポリーは変形しなかったんだね。
2. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 00:29:05 ID：041812fdc ★コメ返信★

キマリストルーパーみたいに一部変形させるぐらいが一番良いのかな。
3. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 00:34:25 ID：5c4322bda ★コメ返信★

現実の変形と言えば可変翼だが廃れた事を考えるとやはり問題だらけだったんだろなと
でも結構残ってもいる不思議
4. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 01:36:33 ID：a9f76531e ★コメ返信★

＞そもそも戦闘中に変形しなくちゃいけない状況は
＞すでにそれ自体が詰んでるんじゃないかて気もする

Zガンダムでは敵も味方もめっちゃ変形しながら戦ってるけど
むしろ変形で機動パターンを変える事で被弾を避けてる
5. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 01:53:38 ID：d88382bd8 ★コメ返信★

そんなもの0.01秒で変形合体すれば問題ない！(ゲッター脳)
6. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 02:05:05 ID：beffc64fc ★コメ返信★

>現実の変形と言えば可変翼だが廃れた事を考えるとやはり問題だらけだったんだろなと
>でも結構残ってもいる不思議

ガンダム世界と同じで、整備性とコストが問題だった
7. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 02:11:10 ID：d1d722fa8 ★コメ返信★

途中で失敗とかよりも維持だよな一番の問題は
8. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 02:55:18 ID：5ffcb7f60 ★コメ返信★

絵的に映えるから大体ロボアニメだと戦闘中にやっちゃうけど、
変形も目的によりけりだからな
基本的に長距離移動用であって、戦闘中に変形するのは想定されてないんじゃないか
エースは戦術の一つとして価値を見いだしちゃうけど

反応:※10
9. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 03:08:17 ID：408398168 ★コメ返信★

飛んだり跳ねたり格闘戦でガンガンぶつけてもフレームは歪みもしないんだからMSの素材は相当頑丈なんだろうな
10. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 03:36:58 ID：52b51d5b8 ★コメ返信★

※8
臨機応変に対応するための変形(Z)と長距離移動用のための変形(Ex-S)って感じやね
11. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 03:52:07 ID：47fc5d36c ★コメ返信★

マクロス見て思うのは、VFって手足失ったらどうやって帰還スンの？
YF-22(VF-22)だけじゃね。手足なくても飛べるの

反応:※12 ※15 ※23
12. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 08:01:54 ID：6b5363b7f ★コメ返信★

※11
飛べない状態になったら帰還以前にそのまま落ちるだけやろ
脱出して味方に助けてもらえ
13. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 08:50:07 ID：6bf534f34 ★コメ返信★

小石が挟まっただけで変形出来なさそう
もしくは整備兵はさまれる事故多そうｗ
14. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 09:15:33 ID：99381da2c ★コメ返信★

ゴッグの手足引っ込めるのは変形扱いでいいのか
15. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 11:06:58 ID：b95e4e1e0 ★コメ返信★

※11
メインスラスタ失った時点で飛べなくなるのがほとんどじゃないか？
16. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 12:43:02 ID：486f0fa40 ★コメ返信★

本番で失敗しない様に練習したジェイデッカーがあったな
17. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 13:34:36 ID：a9f76531e ★コメ返信★

＞通常時と変形中と2倍のリスクを負う訳か

故障が起きる可能性と起きた時の危険性は変形機構の有る無しに関わらず同じだって説明してるのに何言ってんだコイツは

反応:※28
18. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 14:56:50 ID：a4ffbca42 ★コメ返信★

リスク同じか？壊れるか壊れないかの50%だとしても壊れる部位が増えたらリスクが同じなわけねーだろ。
19. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 16:53:10 ID：9bacf32de ★コメ返信★

通常時と変形中が同時に起こることは無いから2倍のリスクっておかしいだろ。変形中が壊れやすくてリスク高くなるって言うならまだしも。
20. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 19:43:50 ID：d3e4b6e65 ★コメ返信★

ロボット兵器それ自体がいい的なのに今さら何言ってるのか
21. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 23:03:21 ID：bc4780b0a ★コメ返信★

>あらかじめ条約違反対策をしている奴もいた
あれはスーパーロボットだから…
22. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/10/23(Fri) 23:05:02 ID：bc4780b0a ★コメ返信★

複雑な変形は小さな歪みでも変形に支障をきたすよね
格闘戦なんて論外
やっぱ単純変形のウイングガンダムが正義だわ
23. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/11/02(Mon) 22:28:47 ID：dc0267498 ★コメ返信★

※11 マクロスというかバルキリーは設定上、バトロイド形態が一番丈夫。
動力は脚部にあるから脚部を失えば終わりだけど、腕(ガンポット)を失っただけなら腕無しのガンウォークで逃げかえる可能性にかけるだけかな。
24. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/11/03(Tue) 17:29:43 ID：ed78197ab ★コメ返信★

推進剤が液体か個体か？
重力下での変型は
推進剤が液体だった場合
バランスは常に一定ではなくなるけど？
25. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/03(Thu) 21:48:40 ID：e25ee0edf ★コメ返信★

変形中にゴミをばらまいて間接やら接合部やらに噛ませるっていう
妨害兵器とかできそうやな。
対人兵装を応用してもよさそうだが。

反応:※26
26. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/13(Sun) 10:16:02 ID：4536386df ★コメ返信★

空中で高速変形したら
慣性モーメントでバランス崩して錐揉み状態になっちゃうかも

>>25
その戦術って、変形するかどうかは関係なくない？
そもそもロボット兵器は関節を封じられたらヤバい

反応:※27
27. 名前:匿名投稿日：2020/12/31(Thu) 12:23:28 ID：13db58673 ★コメ返信★

※26
デザートタイプとかの防塵仕様がデフォになりそうだな
28. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/15(Mon) 12:41:38 ID：df6f060cf ★コメ返信★

※17
ゼータのプラモ作ってみろ
変形機構のせいでパーツ外れまくるだろ
部品数が多くなればなるほどリスクは高くなるってのは常識だぞ
29. 名前:匿名投稿日：2021/03/23(Tue) 21:03:35 ID：03eef6852 ★コメ返信★

>>現実の変形と言えば可変翼だが廃れた事を考えるとやはり問題だらけだったんだろなと
>>でも結構残ってもいる不思議
>ガンダム世界と同じで、整備性とコストが問題だった

翼の角度で機動限界が丸わかりになってしまうので実は戦闘時に不利だった、というオチもあったよ。
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